This would be international outrage if a palestinian said this about Israelis
They want the land. Not the people.
This is nothing new. Israel doing has been doing this for decades.
It’s basically the same as what Hamas has been saying forever. Basically both sides want eachother wiped out.
So basically he said the same exact thing Hamas says about Jews?
The difference is that Israel is considered an occupying power and has responsibilities under international law as such.
“The difference” is that Israel’s formal position is not the elimination of Palestinian Arabs. Zionism as we know it primary exists because of widespread genocidal attitudes towards Jews.
I’m not defending Israel’s heavy hand here by any means. I am just tired of everyone on the internet feeling free to just ignore all the historical context wrapped up in this conflict.
“The difference” is that Israel’s formal position is not the elimination of Palestinian Arabs.
Sure, it’s not what they say they are doing, but genocide is literally what they are doing.
Why does it matter what they say when it does not mirror their actions?
Don’t forget a song recently praising genocide hit #1 on the charts
Israel’s formal position is not the elimination of Palestinian Arabs.
The UN has found credible evidence to the contrary
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/7/un-report-finds-israeli-occupation-root-cause-of-conflict
Zionism was from the very beginning a settler colonial enterprise. Yes genocidal attitudes towards Jews may have been used to promote the idea, but the end goal was always possession of land.
In its initial stage, Zionism was conceived by its pioneers as a movement wholly depending on mechanical factors: there is a country which happens to be called Palestine, a country without a people, and, on the other hand, there exists the Jewish people, and it has no country. What else is necessary, then, than to fit the gem into the ring, to unite this people with this country? The owners of the country [the Turks] must, therefore, be persuaded and convinced that this marriage is advantageous, not only for the [Jewish] people and for the country, but also for themselves.
https://digitalprojects.palestine-studies.org/resources/special-focus/zionist-settler-colonialism
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“But if you call it a genocide you’re an antisemite.”
-AIPAC
There no hate speech laws this breaks? He’s literally calling for violence on a group of people.
Israeli laws outlaws hate speech and “expressing support for illegal or terrorist organizations”.[9] Section 173 of the legal code makes it a crime to publish any “publication that is liable to crudely offend the religious faith or sentiment of others.”[29]
According to Wikipedia. The problem, of course, is that it won’t be enforced as long as hate speech is directed against specific groups of people.
…or spoken by other specific groups of people.
They are turning into Nazis arent they? And i thought iron sky was far fetched. Instead, the Nazis have just infested the Jews!
Always been.
There were (and are) many Holocaust survivors which refused to go to Palestine to kill people and steal their land. And actively speak out against israel
Same thing they did to the Canaanites. They haven’t changed their MO since The Bronze Age Collapse.
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“they”
totally the same peopleIsraelites enforcing the word of EL? The Canaanite God of War? Yep. Same exact philosophy that has been handed down since The Bronze Age Collapse. Their blood may, or may not, be different. Their ideology is exactly the same. Genocide of their cousins.
Just accept that Israelite “history” from Exodus on is mythology, as in the authors lied, which was common at the time, and you’ll see how these ideas are exactly the same, as are the people espousing such hatred for their fellow humans.
I think this is basically antisemitism. It has to be pretty blatant for me to play that card, but come on man.
Anti-Semitic? Nah. The Palestinians are a semitic people.
Anti-intentional-ignorance, yeah. I don’t care when your fantasy book was written, if you’re going to put “holy books,” aka the fictional ravings of people that wanted to control others, ahead of science and history, then I have no time for you, other than to put a bullet in your head so that you stop harming the rest of the world.
me no rikee
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They genocided their own neighbors.
That’s pretty much how everyone acted in the bronze age tho…
Sure but we didnt need to build an international religion out if it which should have disappeared at least 200 years ago
I really do want to get into this conversation with you because I can already tell your understanding of religion and history comes from sassy youtubers but I know from experience it never really goes anywhere because people like you can’t confront the fact that your worldview is tainted by irrational bigotry.
But I’ll leave you with this nugget: Organized religion is the only reason we were able to transition from small nomadic tribes to densely populated cities and literally kickstarted the historic era. For the VAST majority of written history religion and governance were basically the same thing.
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Thank you for proving my ‘sassy youtubers’ assesment of your knowledge on history.
Religion literally kept people from washing their hands
See? That’s what I mean.
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This is a Jewish Israeli extremist. Dont judge all of us based on this abhorrent example.
This is a Jewish Israeli extremist.
… who teaches at a yeshiva that gets its funding from the Israeli government… guess he’s not so extreme he can’t get government funding. Embarrassing. Even in the relatively thoughtless USA we would cancel that sponsorship in a second.
Israeli democracy often resembles more of a Jewish “theocracy” I say that as a former Israeli voter. There is a huge coalition of religious politicians that work together to keep money flowing to the orthodox haredi voters whonare invaluable to them.
Do Israeli institutions not have mechanisms to dismiss officials who vocalize rhetoric like this?
Sure they do, but do they want to is the real question.
Actually those yeshivas to get funding from Israeli government are more likely to be extremist.
He is not just an extremist but also an Idiot.
Killing everyone in Gaza is just dumb because there are also several 10.000 Israeli soldiers in Gaza.
But meh… we already learned that extremism breads brain rot. Hamas is proof of it.
Crass
I’ll judge Israelis on the actions and words of their representatives and armes forces.
Doesn’t seem that much different to this extremist.
Majority held views among the population are in support of Gazan genocide and withholding all food from entering Gaza. The settler society at all levels understands its interests demand genocide.
Exactly my point, this extremist does speak for the majority.
It’d be like asking Hamas the same question, clearly we shouldn’t judge the Palestinian innocents on Hamas’ views, nor should we judge Israel on this guys views
Don’t worry, we’re judging you (Israel) by your actions, which… checks notes… are in full alignment
No judgement to you all from me. War is a conductive environment for extremism. War is hell, after all.
Whenever some Christians are engaging in hate, they avoid people condemning the whole religion thanks to Jesus’s very anti-hate teachings. Judaism doesnt have that. All of the Old Testament’s calls for violence against enemies stand without revision, and no sin is forgiven without sacrifice.
Yea, Judaism has no such thing as a deep and extensive set of rabbinical discourses that are as fundamental as the Torah. Really solid and thoughtful observation.
With like 50 pages arguing about how much a woman is worth based on the state of the hymen. No one ever likes to mention what the Talmud has to say on the subject.
Care to share with the people at home the argument about why the Talmud says you can’t marry on a Friday and the counter argument and the counter counter argument?
Why? What in the world does your arbitrary cherry picked items have to do with the topic at hand? Are you trying to say that that is the entirety of talmudic discourse and that concepts of charity, stewardship, kindness, and growth are nowhere explored in the Talmud? I’m not saying there aren’t many troubling aspects to Jewish liturgical Tesoro tradition. What I am saying is that they’re about in par with any religion and shit like the OP posted is pretty fucking ignorant and dumb.
Care to share with the people at home the argument about why the Talmud says you can’t marry on a Friday and the counter argument and the counter counter argument?
This is a Lemmy sir, we don’t read religious books we just repeat what other people say about them
The last us president advocated for nuking people. I don’t think nukes can selectively avoid babies. Surely that guys worse than even this disgusting rabbi. Unless you think we make the rabbi president?
Sometimes bad is just that. No need to classify as worse or better. Its just bad.
Just saying. There are millions of psychos in this world, why focus in on this one?
This one is backed by Netanyahu though, even though he has been controversial for a long time
Know who else Netanyahu backs…
This is what one guy said. It is not representative, as a lone data point, of all Jews, all Israelis, or the Israeli government. If you have more data points, feel free to share them, but this one Rabbi’s statement doesn’t prove any generalisation.
Serious question - where would we see signs of broad Israeli opposition to the genocide? I know Netanyahu is unpopular, but I don’t think the genocide is a major factor in that unpopularity.
Unfortunately, I don’t think you’ll find that as much anymore. One of understated but equally awful side effects of Hamas’ very successful pogrom is, in targeting who it did among the Israeli population, it pushed a lot of Israeli society currently in Israel hard right even beyond standard rally around the flag effects. The Israeli left and peace activist movement effectively died last year.
Yeah they have a fair history becoming the thing they fought against.
How do you mean?
Judges 19 to 21, where after the rape and death of a single person, many thousands are killed, and hundreds more are raped in response.
Man if every one in the world judged every American based on what one crazy preacher said we’d be in some trouble.
Yeah, although if the American state were sponsoring said crazy preacher it would be an issue. The Rabbi and his Yashiva are sponsored by the Israeli government as the article makes clear.
Well, the prime minister, the finance minister and the head of defense all have said similar things over there in Israel. At some point you have to believe that what they are saying and their actions are speaking for themselves and their words and actions are saying “no one is innocent and even if they were we are still going to kill them all so we can get the land.”
I mean, it’s kinda like judging America based on Pat Robertson, the Westboro Baptist Church, Steve Bannon, Steve Miller, and Trump.
Yes, we should beleive people like Trump when they say how awful they are. The fact that he was elected and is the presumptive Republican nominee says a lot about the American right, right now. But it definitely doesn’t mean that Americans in general are awful people.
Are these people:
Pat Robertson, the Westboro Baptist Church, Steve Bannon, Steve Miller, and Trump.
Currently in charge?
Because Ben Gvir, Smotrich, and Bibi Netanyahu are all literally in charge of the country commiting genocide right now.
Their party is about to get shit canned, because Israel is a democracy and these people don’t represent the people.
Israel is a democracy despite that almost everyone who has power in the government is a racist genocidal maniac?
In what way aren’t the crazy preachers representative of a massive segment of the population here?
Rabbi Eliyahu Mali and his Yeshiva are sponsored by Benjamin Netanyahu’s government
I’m guessing you’ve never seen CPAC.
I never understood why some people would say it was anti semitic to criticize Israel in certain ways, like people say the BDS movement is racist, but it’s exactly things such as this that made me start to see it, and now I can’t unsee it. People rabidly hold Israel to a different standard and only one explanation consistently makes sense.
One Jewish nutbag bloviating his hatred into the void is asserted by some as evidence the the whole of Israel has evil, genocidal intent.
Targeted bombings of tunnels, valid military targets, with cell phone warnings, pamphleting, and roof knocking is described as indiscriminate.
Not giving foreigners the same rights as natively born or naturalized citizens is called literal “apartheid.”
Israel must stop bombing immediately or America should burn our alliance and feed the Jews to Iran, only Israel though, for Hamas it’s all “keep up the good work! Death to America!”
Palestinians in Gaza are natively born. They are not foreigners.
Fucking thank you, I am so tired of people marginalizing already heavily oppressed victims.
Gazans aren’t foreign dumbass
Dumbass they are to Israel.
