I know there’s a ton of skepticism about Meta entering the fediverse — it’s completely understandable,” Cottle says. “I do want to kind of make a plea that I think everyone on the team has really good intentions. We really want to be a good member of the community and give people the ability to experience what the fediverse is.”
Your intentions mean exactly nothing when you’re being paid by Zuckerberg.
It also doesn’t actually matter what you intend, because the problem isn’t just what the platform can do, it’s about Meta being in this space and trying to stake a claim in it. We came here to escape you. Go the fuck away.
Right? I don’t care what their intentions are, if they continue to house hate groups, their “intentions” count for exactly nothing
I fully believe that metas only intention of joining the fediverse is to find a way to undermine it. Nothing more.
Their intentions don’t matter. Meta’s only intention is make line go up. They will either consume or extinguish the fediverse with the rest of the corps. I’ll be leaving lemmy.world the minute thread federates. I’m just gonna be a lazy ass until then.
I thought I understood lemmy.world’s position several months ago was to not federate with Threads. This was the vocal position of many instances. Has this changed?
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Agreed, my reaction will mainly be “oh no - creates account on another instance - well anyway…”
I already did. But what will happen to the fediverse will mirror what happened to email when corporations came in. So eventually you will have nowhere to run.
I don’t get these people. They knowingly chose to work for Meta after everything that company’s done. You don’t get to pretend you’re the good guy anymore. They’re by far the most evil big tech company on the planet and that says a fucking lot when you’re up against MS, Oracle, Google and Apple
At a very desperate time in my life I worked for Comcast. Everytime something bad happens to me now I know I deserve it and that it is karma coming back to me.
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Lol
Money is a great way to induce cognitive dissonance
Maybe the engineering team has good intentions, but Zuck and his Fucks surely don’t.
I don’t believe for a second that any of them have good intentions.
I’m not a fan of Meta and I don’t want to join Threads. But there may be some people over there I would like to follow. At least on Mastodon, we can block any instance we choose to manually. I hate when instances make the decision for me.
Defederation should be a last resort when there are so many options here for people to tailor their own feeds.
How long before they spam us with their ads, pushing them as posts?
Defederate.
They can have a corporate silo. They can use an open standard. But they cannot do anything good for the fediverse. The best thing for the fediverse is to let them exist as a walled garden (and we can put up the wall).
There are about 10 million users on the free fediverse. That number has grown steadily and sustainably. There are 160 million threads users. They were instantaneously leveraged onto the platform by a billion dollar corporation (possibly in violation of antitrust laws).
If we federate, Threads won’t become a part of the fediverse; threads will become the fediverse.
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True that. I will make a spam not that shall post meta decent
I’m deleting my Lemmy account because it’s just
hey guys have you seen Candlejack he was right
Ill move to server that has defederated meta completely
You can find servers based on Threads defederation through this site. Since you don’t want anything to do with Threads, I suggest filtering by ‘blocked’ and ‘Fedipact’ I’m not sure what the difference is between the two is though, so I’d appreciate if someone would explain.
theres also https://defed.xyz/
That’s a really good site too, though I suggest using fedipact.veganism.social if you’re specifically interested in which instances are defederated from Threads. Some instances have hidden blocklists and won’t show if they have defederated Threads if you search through defed.xyz.
For example: You can only see that retro.pizza and masto.ai have hidden blocklists if you look through defed.xyz. However, if you look on fedipact.veganism.social, you can see that retro.pizza has joined the Fedipact against Threads, while masto.ai is fully federated with them.
I don’t really care about that, but given that defederation with particular instances is a good way to get a feel for what content and instance allows/disallows, it’d be nice to be able to filter instances on https://lemmyverse.net and https://lemmy.fediverse.observer and https://kbin.fediverse.observer by whether an instance is defederated or not with some list of other instances. Like, maybe you want an instance that federates with instances providing pornography (lemmynsfw.com) but not extremist political positions (hexbear.net). Right now, it’s a very manual process to check the federation list on many instances.
I signed the fedipact yet mine isn’t listed there, at least it says “blocked”.
How does one “move” to a different instance? Or do I have to make a new account and start over?
You create a new account on a new instance and then you export your subscriptions and settings from your old Lemmy server to your new ones, you lose your comment history but that doesn’t really matter on Lemmy like your post history does on Masto
When you say export, is there a tool for that for, like, mass exporting your subs? Or do I have to manually search each one and sub again?
I ask because I’ve been meaning to switch to my alt, but I made a point of subbing to as many communities as possible to make Lemmy more fun to use for me, and good lord, it’s a lot to do.
I was thinking about joining one that’s federated with them. I’d get a look at the normal side of the internet, what’s going on there without having to join I forgot what’s it called.
Nah that is a positive for them as they will harvest the data on that server, so that is a no for me.
In don’t think we should federate either but most of that data is public anyway. Everything on mastodon and lemmy can be scraped without being federated.
There is just no way that they will not get more data if you are involved directly with them.
If for nothing else we know they have had meetings with server owners across lemmy and mastodon and also meta have historically provided resources in the hopes of capturing a market. It is not that farfetched that they would have to provide funding when they federate with servers because their userbase is so huge and that could be detrimental to the freedom associated with lemmy.
I’d imagine they’d get more data out of me if I was forced to join Threads directly.
But they are not the options, they will get all of your data by being a member, a lot by federating and fairly little by staying away from them.
They’re the options if you want to still check it out and maybe interact with it, which is what I wanted to do. Of course not having anything to do with them gives them even less.
Good thing being forced to join a website isn’t a thing, dawg.
You do realize that for a conversation to work, you should consider the whole context of it instead of just the last sentence said
Fuck letting the Zuckin billionaire into this party! Build your own shit communities with your own shitty user base
<sigh> I’ll miss my cozy little Lemmy…
The upsides are apparent for the platform, but there’s no denying that change will be inevitable for all of us, whether some instances choose to defederate or not.
What your Lemmy feed looks like is 90% up to you. Subscribe to things that you find interesting and block what you don’t want to see.
That’s a great solution to a problem that shouldn’t exist.
Shouldn’t exist? Why? Ofcourse it exists and it’s not even a problem. People just are different and have different interests. It’s up to the individual to choose what they want to pay attention to and what not.
I have to guess you are too young to know the lengthy and detailed history of the anti-consumer and anti-privacy activities of Facebook/Meta over the past decades. (And if you aren’t, you haven’t been paying attention)
There is no corporate entity in the tech space that I can think of that has so thoroughly proven time and time again that they will bend or break every rule if it makes more dollars for them. (I say this despite the existence of Microsoft.) Their users are literally nothing but statistics and a data/income stream for them. It’s not (mostly) about who uses Threads, it’s about Meta. If the fediverse can be fucked over and enshittified (and it most certainly can), Meta will be the one to figure out how, and do it.
There is NO upside to federation with Threads. Zero. The only entity it benefits is Meta.
That’s not at all what I’m talking about.
There’s a reason you can subscribe to commmunities you’re interested in and block the ones you’re not. It’s so that you can curate your feed to reflect your personal interests which vary between individuals.
When it comes to what you’re talking about; you’re free to block threads.net instance yourself or you can choose an instance that does it for you. They’re getting access to your your lemmy content either way.
you can choose an instance that does it for you.
Already done.
They’re getting access to your your lemmy content either way.
That’s not an argument for cooperating with them.
That’s not at all what I’m talking about.
But it’s what matters, and it is what the person you originally replied to was talking about. (Edit- it’s not what they were talking about, I thought you’d replied to a different comment. The rest of my point stands.)
Whether I personally see Threads stuff does not relate to whether Meta can and will create an inflection point that distorts the fediverse into something different than it is today. Nothing in their history points in any direction OTHER than - we’ll all be making another exodus at some point, to get away from them and companies like them.
Edit: I say again - literally no upside to federating with Threads for anyone except Meta.
You’re free to not federate with them but due to the open nature of the fediverse there’s nothing you can do to stop them from federating with you. What ever you post they have access to.
Still. This has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
There is NO upside to federation with Threads. Zero.
That’s a bit of an exaggeration. I don’t think it will affect Lemmy at all, since it’s a different type of posts. But in terms of Mastodon, it means a whole lot more content for Mastodon users, and a whole lot more people to follow. And also means that people can move to Mastodon while still having the audience that Threads provides.
Of course if you think that the downsides are worse than the upsides, then that doesn’t really matter. But don’t say there are NO upsides.
Those are valid points but I very much do think the downsides are (enormously) bigger than the upsides. Time will tell. Feels a bit like advocating that we sell our soul to the Devil instead of waiting for the fediverse to grow organically.
With about a thousand new daily sign ups to mastodon it feels like it is going back to its rapid degrowth that it has been on before the Twitter debacle.
Fuck Zuckerberg!!
Doesn’t Lemmy let users block instances? So no issue here.
The problem seems to be with Mastodon (and possibly others like Pixelfed, Bookwyrm, etc), which I think is controlled at instance level. Fortunately, the admin of the Mastodon instance I’m on has defederated Threads.
