• dinckel@lemmy.world
    781·
    11 months ago

    The comment section there is unbearable to read. I totally get that Wayland is a growing protocol, and sometimes things aren’t implemented yet, but pretending like Xorg hasn’t had a whole mountain of issues of the past 40 years is hilarious

    • magic_lobster_party@kbin.run
      41·
      11 months ago

      X11 was originally built when computer monitors were commonly monochrome. It’s quite amazing it has lasted this long.

      • rotopenguin@infosec.pubEnglish
        10·
        11 months ago

        If you’re not using “vampire taps” to connect your X-Server to your computer, you’re doing it wrong.

    • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.netEnglish
      24·
      11 months ago

      Phrononix’s forum is known for having some of the most toxic individuals in the open-source ecosystem, with flame wars, pointless complaining and arguing happening usually starting within the first 10 comments.

      I have no idea why or how it got so bad there specifically, but it’s bad. Though oddly enough, in-between all the negativity, will be developers of major systems, like AMD driver engineers, calmly talking with other big movers in the industry.

      I guess it’s one of the few sites that is dedicated to reporting on such things, but boy howdy is it an odd mix of spiteful users and developer networking.

      • morrowind@lemmy.ml
        17·
        11 months ago

        It’s kind of hilarious though, when I’m bored I sometimes just browse the comment of some controversial topic on phoronix, to watch users get into the most vicious, time consuming arguments over pointless things. The fact that it’s interspersed with random engineers from AMD or whatever makes it even better

      • dinckel@lemmy.world
        7·
        11 months ago

        Fascinating, isn’t it? I genuinely just don’t understand the elitism, or whatever else you’d call it. These things don’t really mean anything, in the grand scheme of things. Like one compositor over another? Great, moving on now

      • LupertEverett@lemmy.world
        6·
        11 months ago

        The reason it is so shit is that because there is NO moderation whatsoever (nor there is any care for having it, as there wouldn’t be cases like someone that had done ban evasion twice still being active on the forums otherwise). And I think I can safely say that it is just like the same as other social media:

        More heated and stupid arguments = more page clicks and views = more ad revenue (Michael definitely inserts some ads into the forums, like come on now)

        I have absolutely no regrets using adblockers on there (or internet-wide), and Michael has the GALL to call his subscription service “Premium”… unbeknownst to him that a golden coated excrement is in the end… still a piece of excrement. :V

      • wiki_me@lemmy.mlEnglish
        3·
        11 months ago

        Phrononix’s forum is known for having some of the most toxic individuals in the open-source ecosystem

        I think the quality of a discussion platform correlates with the quality of it’s users, and the forums are not as good as reddit and lemmy.

    • Drito@sh.itjust.works
      16·
      11 months ago

      Don’t be so sensitive, there is very few troll in this topic and lot of interesting remarks in both pros and cons.

  • this_is_router@feddit.de
    186·
    11 months ago

    one of the main reasons the linux kernel is where it is today: “never break userspace”

    unfortunately not every project keeps to this principle.

    • mogoh@lemmy.ml
      131·
      11 months ago

      There are good reasons to break userspace sometimes. If we would never do so, we would stuck on X11 forever.

      • merthyr1831@lemmy.world
        2·
        11 months ago

        Wayland is definitely on the side of not breaking userspace, though. The API design, xWayland compatibility layer, and recent focus on protocols to fix missing functionality from xorg are all designed to make Wayland a seamless transition.

        Otherwise we’d have been using Wayland as the only option for years now.

        • flying_sheep@lemmy.ml
          7·
          11 months ago

          No, because the kernel has a different goal than most other software. Linux agrees that breaking the userspace from userspace is sometimes necessary.

  • 0x0@social.rocketsfall.net
    164·
    11 months ago

    To have this laundry list of negatives get a reply basically saying “yeah, it’s bad, but we need to impress the stakeholders by forcing a Wayland default even if it doesn’t work correctly” is baffling.

    I use SDL so this hits a bit closer to home. Hopefully they can arrive at a conclusion that isn’t harmful to us devs. It’s already kind of a tossup whether it’s even worth it to provide a native Linux build when Proton works so well anyway. I can’t imagine this will help.

  • WalnutLum@lemmy.ml
    11·
    11 months ago

    This feels like the same kind of issue mesa just had around the zlib update breaking downstream user programs (viewperf). If there are significant downstream issues for users you shouldn’t upgrade, even if that is the end goal.

    Projects that are big and important get old and bloated because they need to try and span legacy issues alongside their attempts at newer paradigms. It’s just kind of the natural lifecycle of these projects.

  • Kualk@lemm.ee
    91·
    11 months ago

    Gnome has been running user space applications just fine for me on Wayland, Arch Linux.

    There were some issues about 2 years ago. I have no complaints for last 12 months.

    Wayland is today’s life for some.

    • Steam gaming , proton and native
    • visual studio code
    • qemu running windows
    • app interrupting work to relax eyes
    • old mysql dashboard ui

    Basically, I have not seen app specific issues for my user flow.