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      Counterpoint: The rest of the Fediverse can see it too so it’s not just for Lemmy.

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        Star Trek The Next Generation

        Skip episode 1, “Encounter at Farpoint”. It sucks all around. Watch it later if you’re really curious but don’t say I didn’t warn you.

        If you want to check out a “representative” episode, see Season 5 Episode 2. (edit: the episode is named Darmok) You don’t have to know everything going in, it’s self-contained. If you like the episode you’ll like Star Trek.

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          I remember really liking Encounter at Farpoint when i was a kid

          Rewatching it more recently, I realized Diana’s “PAIN! I FELL PAIN!” was her sensing the audience’s reaction to the horrible episode

          Like… It had a single episode worth of good episode in there but they left the other half in that should have hit the editing room floor

          ETA: I had to look up what season 5 episode 2 is, and yes, that’s an excellent representation

          I’d argue that the second pilot of the original series, “Where No Man Has Gone Before” is also a excellent overall introduction to Star Trek: cerebral rather than action oriented, the focus on the people and their relationships both with each other and their own humanity, asking questions of the audience to make us think, solid message (“absolute power corrupts absolutely”)…

          But definitely skip the original pilot, The Cage, in its standalone form. Watching that, we were damned lucky it didn’t get shitcanned fully right then and there

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    That’s not really fair to Crowder. He’s also a misogynist and racist piece of shit.

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    The problem is just the meme is misused. It should only be for intentionally bad takes

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    I say we lose the entire Crowder meme format. The “change my mind” bit was from one of his stunts, and this is just keeping it alive longer

    There’s still many other meme formats that send the same message, we don’t need to sully Calvin’s image by associating it with a Crowder stunt

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      It only keeps it alive for those who know it. I had no idea who that dude was or where it was from.

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        Honestly I don’t remember anything directly antisemitic from him, some of his guests were, if I remember correctly, but not directly from him. Do you happen to know an example of him being openly antisemitic? Not that it matters, he probably is in private.

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          I might be mistaking him with one of the other major grifters; the Venn diagram between racists, homophobes, transphobes, and antisemites is a circle.

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    Why would anyone care who the stereotypical white dude is? That is giving importance/energy to the wrong thing. I didn’t even really notice nor care who he was (and still don’t). That said, I don’t generate memes with him in it so I guess I’m doing my part. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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      Why would anyone care who the stereotypical white dude is?

      Because he doesn’t deserve to be the guy in the meme. Think about all the other actually cool people who have been immortalized in silly memes, a lot of times they get interviewed and it is really funny. Everybody enjoys on some level that the person in the funny meme they are looking at is actually a real human being who has the goofy honor of being famous for the really specific, niche context of that meme.

      Why give that joy to a complete asshole and loser? Why give it to a media personality who spreads hate? Who cares if nobody recognizes who Crowder is, Crowder doesn’t even deserve to be interfaced with as an anonymous white dude in a meme, it takes away the necessary shame Crowder should experience at every interface with the broader public.

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        I really don’t give a shit about internet famous people and now, I also don’t care why anyone else cares. I’m sorry I ever asked the question.

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        Only because he’s white. If he was black, I would have said stereotypical black. I wasn’t addressing this at you. I’ll edit to say stereotypical douche bag frat boy turd thing.

        This is why giving importance to “not the focus” of the message gets in the way. Now we aren’t talking about -insert meme here- anymore. We are talking about someone’s personal issue with how I phrased something. Honestly, just proves the point of getting distracted by irrelevant things.

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    Shouldn’t use Watterson’s work. He fought long and hard against stuff like this…

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              I think he’d feel this similarly devalues it.

              I respect Watterson too much to assume his stance.

              Well… which is it? Do you respect him too much to assume his stance or are you assuming he’d feel this similarly devalues it?

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                I mean I don’t want to assume he’d be alright with it therefore I won’t use it. Nothing I said was definitive, just what I think.

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        Here is a wiki source (insert error bars here) discussion of his stance on his work being officially licensed. He thought that use of his work outside of a comic strip would cheapen the value of the strip itself. This was frusterating as a child (who wouldn’t want a fucking Hobbes plushy) but now later I can see that it was at the very least a very defensible choice. Compare how people feel about C&H vs something that was commercialized to death like Garfield. Anyway, hope it’s useful.

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      I mean, not really though. He fought to keep companies from merchandizing C&H, mainly because he “wanted to keep the characters pure to every reader’s internal voice.” Basically to keep companies from turning it into a shitty profit center or bastardizing it with a cartoon, etc. I don’t think he really said anything or would have a problem with fans using the images to share stuff, y’know?

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        Becoming a meme format is a great way to strip all of the original context for most, just look at the point of this thread. Just because it’s C+H isn’t going to stop that.

        Like we saw with the bumper stickers, it wasn’t just the stupid Ford v Chevy thing, it was that anyone wanting to make a stupid point on their bumper sticker was lending Calvin’s voice to their own stupid crusade.

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          Cancel Culture, Woke, Communism… When you don’t understand a lot about the modern world, you just start using words and phrases you also don’t understand to mean “I dislike this”

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              This isn’t cancel culture though. You are proving my point.

              And my last post wasn’t a straw man either… It was describing people who use terms they don’t understand to express their dislike of things. It’s literally you. In this thread.

              I mean… I guess it could be that you’re knowingly misusing it just to create anger and division. But you wouldn’t do that, would you? That would make -you- the problem.

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              Again, what do you mean by cancel culture? The original comment was asking for people to honour Watterson’s view that Calvin should not be used outside the comic. Who was being cancelled and how?

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                  So you don’t actually have an explanation. Chowder is a bigot, and people shouldn’t give him a platform. You defending him is consigning his bigotry.

                  Also he hasn’t been cancelled, nor is he likely to be.

                  Are you upset that people don’t like him and are speaking out against him? Or is it a larger disdain about the practice of speaking out against people and calling for them to be excluded?

                  If it is the second one, Chowder makes his money that way, and participates in a practice you claim to disdain.

                  Though I think it’s the first beacuse you like what he says.