You are naive if you think paying them prevents them from getting more payments by selling your data wherever they can get away with tricking you into consent.
Well yeah this presupposes that management knows what the fuck they’re doing.
Which is vanishingly rare. It happens sometimes though. I worked at a small 12 man shop that had an engineer CEO who valued doing things right. Very refreshing.
Yeah, lemmy is insanely illogical on this topic. Services cost money to run, and the average user is not going to self host anytime in the foreseeable future. I have yet to hear anybody offer a vision of how things might reasonably work without ads OR subscriptions.
The argument as far as I can tell is “FOSS means I don’t have to pay anything because it doesn’t cost anything! If they ask for donations they don’t mean me”
Not a single one of them have a monthly contribution to their instance though. Guaran-fucking-tee it.
Asking $12/yr for software seems like pulling teeth to some.
That may be your problem. We don’t ask for anything specific. We simply make a post with how much the service costs and how much users have donated. Users are smart and can take things from there.
I’m fine with this trend.
Servers aren’t free and engineers aren’t cheap. Online products need to make money in our world.
If you’re not paying them they need something to sell to someone else.
Problem is that some companies double dip. Pay for the service and have your data sold.
You are naive if you think paying them prevents them from getting more payments by selling your data wherever they can get away with tricking you into consent.
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And the way you don’t bloat your backend?
Expensive engineers
How expensive do we have to be for them to actually listen to us for a change? Or do you mean “expensive consultants?”
Well yeah this presupposes that management knows what the fuck they’re doing.
Which is vanishingly rare. It happens sometimes though. I worked at a small 12 man shop that had an engineer CEO who valued doing things right. Very refreshing.
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Yeah, lemmy is insanely illogical on this topic. Services cost money to run, and the average user is not going to self host anytime in the foreseeable future. I have yet to hear anybody offer a vision of how things might reasonably work without ads OR subscriptions.
The argument as far as I can tell is “FOSS means I don’t have to pay anything because it doesn’t cost anything! If they ask for donations they don’t mean me”
Not a single one of them have a monthly contribution to their instance though. Guaran-fucking-tee it.
For our instance, the users have in fact donated and keep us running. I’m not sure why you’d think users are unwilling to donate.
Because I’ve regularly got in arguments with people who refuse to donate.
The ratio of leachers to seeders in torrents is a similar issue - and seeding is practically free.
Asking $12/yr for software seems like pulling teeth to some.
That may be your problem. We don’t ask for anything specific. We simply make a post with how much the service costs and how much users have donated. Users are smart and can take things from there.
I’m not running an instance I’m talking about generalities not specifics.
Between this and the sheer amount of pro piracy, i’m honestly convinced people on Lemmy are cheap fucks.
I can understand not having anything and not wanting to pay. I get it.
But don’t act like it’s free just because you can’t afford it.
They can just fuck off