• AsterixTheGoth@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    19
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    7 months ago

    The thing I find interesting about this image is that it oversimplifies the argument (like all internet politics), but contains the definition of the root of the problem from the side opposite that which the author is on.

    See we live in a world where our livelihoods are based on us having things to do for income. Maybe someday a fantasy utopia will get built where everybody lives a life of leisure and can spend all their time focusing on what they wish to, but right now that doesn’t exist. So when everything is Made in China that means nothing is made anywhere else which means opportunities for work are reduced everywhere else. This is especially painful for people whose parents were well off because of the industry in the town they lived, only to lose those opportunities because the work went to China.

    Now add to that the differences in approach between geopolitical Western and Eastern governments and you have the current argument.

    Tik-tok is in the crosshairs because it’s convenient. Western Governments, most particularly the US, like to talk up the Free Market. Woo, Free Market, no government interference yeah! So just reaching out and legislating trade or manufacturing flies in the face of their ideology (not to mention that their campaign contributions might dry up if they piss off the oligarchs who are making big bank by manufacturing in foreign lands). Tik-Tok however, is perfectly situated. It’s run by foreigners who don’t fund political campaigns, and it has a practice that is politically palatable to oppose: Collecting data about Americans and storing that data within the reach of an ideologically different government.

  • 4am@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    6
    ·
    7 months ago

    Man some of these caricatures… I swear I’ve met this corn-bred Ghostbusters prop redneck before.

  • Atomic@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    19
    arrow-down
    13
    ·
    7 months ago

    You think the problem with tiktok was that it was simply made in China?

    Not the fact that it collected vast amount of data from everyone?

    And here’s a friendly reminder that Lenovo has had their very fair share of problems regarding security and data collection too.

    • ShadowCat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      24
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      collecting vast amount of data ? facebook does that too and instagram and google and who knows what else

        • linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          7 months ago

          crazy i wonder why the infinity racists amerikkkans decided to start with the platform that is mildly associated with china. surely it has nothing to do with their with the fact that they are most racists people on earth.

        • linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          7 months ago

          even IF it was true why would u give a shit about a foreign government having ur data, then assholes that are gonna swat u or kidnap u into an unlabeled van arent gonna be foreign they dont fucking care its gonna be ur government doing that shit.

          • HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            7 months ago

            The US government doesn’t want an adversary government to have the data of its citizens (because of varios reasons, including mass manipulation for example). They would of course have no issue with having that data themselves though (also because then they would be more in control over how the data is handled).

            • linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              7 months ago

              Whats being questioned isnt why the us gov and the corpos that own it would want to ban tiktok that much is self evident, the question is why any one would give a fuck let alone bother to celebrate it.

      • Atomic@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        10
        ·
        7 months ago

        Yes. But the US can control US based companies, and create laws regarding how that data is used. They can’t control a chineese one.

        Do you understand how the US government might think it’s a problem that foreign countries get access to every step their citizens take?

        • devraza@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          8
          ·
          7 months ago

          But the US can control US based companies, and create laws regarding how that data is used

          Does that matter if they don’t create said laws - since they’re equally interested in their citizens data as facebook, google, etc. are?

          • Atomic@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            7 months ago

            It does matter. Because the US can do it if they decide to. They have significant power over companies based in their country.

            They do not have significant power over companies NOT based in their country.

              • Atomic@sh.itjust.works
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                7 months ago

                That’s not what that means.

                The fact that a company who wants to operate in the US has to follow US guidelines is obvious. But doesn’t mean the US government has significant power over them if they’re not based in the US.

        • linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          7 months ago

          us gov IS controlled by us corps they banned tiktok to get rid of competition. with the ever green excuse in amerikkkan politics of appealing to racism

      • Atomic@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        11
        ·
        7 months ago

        But the data is sent to China for them to analyze and create models of citizen movement, influencing forgein citizens by deciding what content they see.

        Yes. A government is ok with tracking their own citizens. But don’t want other governments to track their citizens.

  • ReakDuck@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    13
    arrow-down
    11
    ·
    edit-2
    7 months ago

    Ah yes, a chair that collects your data.

    I dont get the meme, maybe because the person doesn’t understand what tiktok is about and thinks his loved country is attacked?

    Edit: crazy that truth doesn’t be liked or any serious commitment to correct me. Chinese fan boys are really part of a cringe community

    • linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      7 months ago

      dont worry with tiktok gone now u only have to worry about literally everything else with electronics in it.