• JASN_DE@lemmy.world
    1287·
    7 months ago

    Reporting is done by users who voluntarily upload their system specs via
    # hw-probe -all -upload

    So not skewed at all…

    • KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.worldOP
      648·
      7 months ago

      Do you have a better way of measuring it?
      In what direction would voluntary self-reporting of all system specs skew the display server statistic (and why)?

      • atzanteol@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        994·
        7 months ago

        Do you have a better way of measuring it?

        No better way of measuring doesn’t mean this is a good way of measuring.

          • atzanteol@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            44·
            7 months ago

            A method that attempts to collect data from a randomized or representative population rather than relying on self-report.

            • Fushuan [he/him]@lemm.eeEnglish
              231·
              7 months ago

              The fact that you need consent to get this data would make a randomized approach impossible.

                • conorab@lemmy.conorab.com
                  12·
                  7 months ago

                  Steam hardware survey but that will skew towards gamers. That said, it would be a good indicator on how compatible Wayland is.

                • umbrella@lemmy.ml
                  1·
                  7 months ago

                  canonical has been doing this for years too, and a significant portion of linux users are on ubuntu. i’m not sure if a good portion of users enable it though.

          • woelkchen@lemmy.world
            111·
            7 months ago

            What way do you imagine would be more precise?

            Unavoidable analytics, apparently. Yay?

            • SuperIce@lemmy.worldEnglish
              5·
              7 months ago

              I like the way kde does it. On first install it gives a slider with how much analytics you want to send. I just do all of it because I trust KDE, but it’s nice that it asks you. They probably have some pretty good data.

              • Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca
                1·
                7 months ago

                This is the important point IMHO. This kind of feedback is exactly something I’d love to do, but I don’t think I had any idea about it before this post. Just a little popup on a new install/upgrade would be a much broader net.

      • Dandroid@sh.itjust.works
        28·
        7 months ago

        I imagine people who care about this sort of thing are more likely to report it. And people who care about this sort of thing are also more likely to be early adopters and go through the effort of switching to Wayland.

        The way to get a more random sample is not something I want (built-in, automatic telemetry by default). So I’m fine with having skewed data for something like this.

      • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world
        22·
        7 months ago

        Its a pretty good survey and has a good sample size. Statistics is hard. I won’t take the criticism too seriously.

    • Vilian@lemmy.ca
      128·
      7 months ago

      err, why? actually it can be skewed against wayland(wayland users tend to be more security aware), and why the suprise, KDE, GNOME are wayland from the get go, steam deck too, hyprland and sway etc

      • atzanteol@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        302·
        7 months ago

        It can skew either way equally. We’re just left to do armchair psychology about the type of people who would submit data to this site. So the numbers are effectively useless.

        • ddh@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          6·
          7 months ago

          You’re discounting the trend here. Assuming the methodology is consistent, over a short time we’re seeing a noticeable change, bias or not.

          • atzanteol@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            4·
            7 months ago

            I’m not actually. Does anybody doubt that wayland use is increasing? Distros have increasingly been making it the default. I’d be surprised if use weren’t increasing. In fact it might be under-represented in this data depending on whether all distros are being accurately represented or not.

        • iopq@lemmy.world
          5·
          7 months ago

          But the change in the numbers is not useless since the psychology of the Wayland users vs. x11 didn’t change

          • atzanteol@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            2·
            7 months ago

            That seems probable but was there any doubt that Wayland use is increasing? Wayland has been changing to the default distro by distro. The only reason this is “news” is because somebody has claimed that “Wayland usage has overtaken X11”.

            • Vilian@lemmy.ca
              1·
              7 months ago

              yep, plasma was still x11 from default when steam deck launched, plasma 6 switched to wayland as default, now i don’t know if steam deck was updated to plasma 6

    • drathvedro@lemm.ee
      1·
      7 months ago

      I just did that, why not, but it misreported my DE anyway, so I’d take the OP post with quite a grain of salt.

  • Fluid@aussie.zoneEnglish
    442·
    7 months ago

    Yeh, I’ll wait until the bugs are ironed out and my distro (mint) determines it’s stable. No need to start asking for troubles when everything is working smoothly.

    • demizerone@lemmy.world
      112·
      7 months ago

      Then there’s ppl like me: dual 4k with Wayland on Nvidia in Gnome with VRR. Hoorah!

      Just waiting for explicit sync and I will be complete.

          • PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            6·
            7 months ago

            He’s only the second person I’ve seen to claim working dual monitor on wayland with Nvidia. All my attempts have lasted 5 mins max before something drove me back to X11.

              • PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                2·
                7 months ago

                Dunno, I used to run 3 monitors until I got an ultra wide, now I’m down to 2. Never had any issues getting the displays to work in either. It was mostly graphical glitches and screen tearing that drove me back to X11.

                • Spectacle8011@lemmy.comfysnug.space
                  2·
                  7 months ago

                  It might be because one of my monitors is actually a graphics tablet. GNOME’s scaling just didn’t work in either session such that all three monitors were scaled correctly, but KDE’s Wayland session was able to handle it properly. Or at least, the least bad.

                  I also use Wayland because X11 had some lag when operating the desktop normally (I guess the pros call it “frame-pacing issues”?), whereas only XWayland programs will flicker for my NVIDIA GPU. And games aren’t part of that category. I don’t use a lot of XWayland applications anymore, so I actually haven’t seen the flickering for a while. The Steam client is the absolute worst, but… I’ve been doing my gaming on Windows lately 😬

      • drathvedro@lemm.ee
        1·
        7 months ago

        What about PRIME, though? I’d like to give it a shot, but I only just ironed out my setup with triple-gpu(all different vendors) and a ton of sweat, I’m afraid it’s going to be back to square one with wayland.

    • Vincent@feddit.nl
      2·
      7 months ago

      Same. I don’t see why people need to argue about it or make a conscious decision about it anyway.

      (My distro determined it was ready to use a while ago, so I’ve been switched over for a long time now. Indeed it’s working fine, and I think I hardly even notice the difference.)

  • No1@aussie.zone
    402·
    7 months ago

    Every now and then I think ‘OK, this time I surely should be able to switch over to Wayland!’

    And there’s always one application or use case that stops me.

    Yeah, I’m on nvidia which hasn’t helped either…

    • Karna@lemmy.ml
      121·
      7 months ago

      For What application you face issue? I’m curious as XWayland should provide backward compatibility.

      • brisk@aussie.zone
        61·
        7 months ago

        Electron applications are notorious and prolific, and resolutions are very specific to versions and details of the program’s build process.

        Steam can be a big old flashy boi

    • Fizz@lemmy.nz
      8·
      7 months ago

      Same I want to move over so bad. It’s so smooth and the animations feel much nicer but there is always a deal breaker issue that sends me back to x11 within a few hours.

    • yonder@sh.itjust.works
      51·
      7 months ago

      Yeah, had a rtx 2060 and sidegraded to an intel arc a750 just to avoid the nvidia xwayland issues.

  • edinbruh@feddit.it
    427·
    7 months ago

    Wait, is it on a population of 5000 computers? Bruh, why are we even looking at this?

      • AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialEnglish
        71·
        7 months ago

        would that show up as their display server though? surely VMWare et al run some other display server on the backend and then stream to clients via VNC?

        • KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.worldOP
          5·
          7 months ago

          No, that’s why the web frontend graph is at 0%.
          And those systems don’t have a display server, they open up a web server to interact with.

          • AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialEnglish
            5·
            7 months ago

            if the graph is really at 0%, and not 0.0001%, why’s it there at all?

            also, i’m really confused as to why an HTML webui would qualify as a display server.

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    19·
    7 months ago

    I’m sure Nvidia will become stable on wayland by the time xfce also migrates lol

  • pelya@lemmy.world
    17·
    7 months ago

    I’ve switched to X11 last week, because kwin_wayland crashes each time my monitor enters low-power mode.

    • Kualk@lemm.ee
      3·
      7 months ago

      My intel laptop on kde is unreliable, but gnome is super stable.

      If you want windows like taskbar, you can turn it on gnome and other features that will make it more like windows.

      On desktop with AMD video card I saw no difference between kde and gnome.

      I ended up back on gnome. Because it was less distracting. I am a long time gnome user and kde was a curiosity. Latest versions of both (Arch Linux).

  • megane-kun@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    171·
    7 months ago

    I switched to Wayland the moment my distro went moved to KDE Plasma 6 because according to my logic: if things are going to be broken and I’m going to adjust to them anyways, I might as well do it all at once: shock therapy style.

    Plasma 6 broke a lot of my desktop customization, but that is to be expected. And Wayland? It has been surprisingly okay. I am experiencing some keyboard-related problems that I can’t even begin to track down (sometimes the keyboard flat out refuses to work for certain programs, sometimes it’s the numpad). However, I am not sure if it’s really related to Wayland, so I’m withholding judgement.

  • michel@friend.ketterle.ch
    15·
    7 months ago

    @KISSmyOSFeddit
    Hw-probe is a nice project. To buy my laptop I created an usb bootable linux that auto connectet my mobile hotspot and uploaded the report.
    I went to som shops and usbbooted their devices.
    Most shops had no problem with that.
    So I found a working convertable laptop. 👍

    What’s sad ont this linux-hardware.org website is the poor desin of this homepage.
    It is really not usable, except for your own device. But also there its difficult to analyse for certain hardware details.

    • GreenM@lemmy.world
      9·
      7 months ago

      I’m quite surprised they actually allowed to stick unknown USB into computer they will be selling to their customers 😮

  • taladar@sh.itjust.works
    14·
    7 months ago

    I wonder how representative that is of actual software used. I would imagine hardware probes are run from installers and live systems quite frequently. I would certainly not expect several percentage points of “neither” in practical settings.

      • taladar@sh.itjust.works
        5·
        7 months ago

        Yeah, but when was the last time you decided to upload hardware device data for a root server to some hardware survey? That is something almost exclusively done by the kind of people who want to show off their system in some way.

        • mryessir@lemmy.sdf.org
          5·
          7 months ago

          Especially on servers I make sure to attend in the software packages survey. Just so that the holy-gods and kings of maintainers are aware of me, the peasant running old packages.

          No yield saya. I’m sorry.