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  • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
    42·
    2 days ago

    Numerous bad responses full of either lies or justifications for Chinese imperialism.

    This is why you are being labeled a wrecker. China abstaining and trying to abide by both the PLO and resistance groups, who I might add already agreed on the PLO as the national authority for international representation, is not imperialism. You might say that it’s weak anti-imperialism, but it is by no means imperialism proper.

    Secondly, arguing on the internet is all we can do, other than organize in real life to undermine western support for Israel. My hope is that I can convince you to reframe your analysis from “China is imperialist and therefore must be destroyed” into “China is being insufficiently anti-imperialist.” It sounds like you believe the latter, but you call them imperialist, giving liberals ammo rather than providing actual leftist critique.

    China isn’t standing behind the resolution with pride, because it disagrees with the resolution. Since you value words greatly, read their full statement.

    We both know that this sham imperialist UN force will in no way stabilize the region. The only way to stabilize it is by removing the destabilizzing force. Which is done with armed resistance.

    Agreed. So does China.

    Good. It’s not a misattribution. China is endorsing a the genocide of Palestinians as a bargaining chip for their own gain. They got Nexperia back the very next day.

    This is conspiracy theory nonsense and you have nothing to back it up other than that it aligns with how you presently feel.

    Nothing you have said shows in any way that China is serious about the Palestinian cause.

    The 2024 Beijing Declaration reconciled Hamas and Fatah, and created a unified resistance in Palestine, along with support from China and an understanding that Palestinian statehood is a necessity and disarmament an impossibility.

    They are increasing trade with Israel and building out Israeli infrastructure, even building colonist settlements in the West Bank.

    This is bad, I agree! They are also working with resistance groups and trying to form a Palestinian state. I would say this is an example of China being insufficiently anti-imperialist, not equal to the US and EU who have been arming the IDF.

    Unless you have a very compelling reply which isn’t just an excuse why it’s okay when China does imperialism, this will be my last response here or I will respond with a Twitter post which says basically the same thing.

    You haven’t given any examples of China doing imperialism. You’ve given good reasons to critique China for not being sufficiently anti-imperialist. The reason the distinction is important is because the assumption that China is imperialist means it cannot be reformed, and must be destroyed, whereas if China is insufficiently anti-imperialist, corrective action must be taken. The very fact that you say that it’s good that the hordes of Zenz lovers are China bashing and using it for the purposes of arguing that China should be destroyed rather than principled leftist critique that they need to be doing better is exactly the problem. You’re fueling the narrative that China is incapable of doing better.

    Go ahead, send another shitty, unrelated twitter post. I hope at the very least you understand the difference between being insufficiently anti-imperialist and being actively imperialist, and that fueling the latter narrative while believing the former just backfires and gives the Kamala brigade the upper hand in saying the US is a more moral alternative.

    • Deceptichum@quokk.auEnglish
      11·
      2 days ago

      Why don’t you comment on this part of their post?

      They have a seat with veto rights at the UNSC. Once again, they can give up their seat if they want to pretend to be neutral powerless babies. Abstaining is a hypocritical vote in favor. China and Russia both know very well their abstention means it will pass the vote.

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
        31·
        2 days ago

        Because I didn’t think it was important to address. Giving up a seat on the security council would be stupid, in case it ever actually has teeth. It’s also good for diplomacy on the international scene. There’s no scenario where China would abandon the seat.

        As for abstaining being a vote for, no. Vetoing would not prevent the US from continuing with their plan, China abstained and stated their actual stances, pushing for Palestinian statehood and not disarming. UNSC resolutions don’t really have the power to stop the US Empire.

        Would I rather China have veto’d? Yes. Does abstaining make them equivalent to those orchestrating and fueling the genocide? By no means, at worst it means they aren’t sufficiently anti-imperialist, in no way does it make them imperialist.