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Got banned for critisizing China’s complicity in the Gaza genocide. Lemmygrad is not an ML server. It is a China server.
You’re on a roll, got banned from hexbear for accusing people of ‘transzionism’, now this

bad empanada is a clown
Yes Hexbear is a Zionist server which believes that Contrapoints being trans means nobody is allowed to criticize Contrapoints for being a Zionist.
Wow. I don’t think your hyperbole is for dramatic effect. This sounds more like the UNSC vote has induced distorted thinking about those who until this week you saw as Palestinian allies but now see as enemies.
For clarification my position on Hexbear has been formed before the Chinese betrayal.
As for the UNSC vote, spare me the justification for the Chinese hypocrisy.
Would you say they same if Russia and Iran were on the UNSC and passed a US resolution claiming Taiwan is an independent nation and China should be demilitarized?
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Kkkontrapoints on that “but i live in imperial core” arc
Contrapoints comes out in favor of Israel’s genocide in Gaza
Hey look, it’s Contrapoints’ car. (cw visual allusion to Confederate flag)
Couple nice zingers to own KKKontraPointSS fans
There’s pages of results lmao
I suggest watching less bad empanada
Now show me what part of the video I posted there is transphobic.
the content creator in the video you posted says transphobic shit on the regular and doubles down on it when challenged. just because he doesn’t say it in all his videos doesn’t make him less of a reactionary
example:

a couple trans people being awful zionists doesn’t make it no longer bigoted to say that people who are trans are mostly looking for a marginalized identity to hide behind.
it continues

He doubles down on it again and then says he doesn’t care if trans people live or die, and implies that there’s no trans people who end up victims of US empire
posting a bigots content made you get called out. your response to someone saying "I think Graham platner is a crypo fash, but I don’t need a transphobe to tell me that" was to completely miss the point and sarcastically say ‘mhm yes anyone who doesn’t endorse “transzionism” is a bigot’

the guy is a transphobe completely separatly from his opinions on Israel. asserting that trans people are just being trans in order to hide behind marginalized identity is transphobic
So you’re telling me this entire thing is not even about his videos but about a single edgy tweet BE made months ago.
Meanwhile ChapoTrapHouse is literally advocating for the mass murdering baby killing rapist right now and you’re all gleefully on their community. So far for purity tests.
not a “single edgy tweet”, I linked 4 in the previous post, and that was over a multi-day period of him doubling down. there’s other examples, but I’m not sure that listing every example of him being shitty would be enough for you either.
he’s an entertainer with obviously shitty opinions about trans people and thus people aren’t interested in his political demagoguing.
the common consensus from what I’ve seen is that graham planter is a cryptofash, regardless of what chapo says about him. I don’t watch them so I have no idea what they’ve even said about him. Here’s what I’ve said about him: blackwater Nazi tattoo guy sucks and I don’t see a reason to believe a word he says
you keep linking bad empanada videos, I suggest branching out to other information sources
With all due respect, this is wrong. You were banned for reducing everyone’s contextualizing of China’s decision (that aligns with Hamas and the PA) to “China good,” then attacking everyone in the comments when they tried to explain in more detail. As far as I know, you don’t consider yourself a Marxist-Leninist, but are more of an anti-imperialist.
What’s important is that Hamas requested condemnation and the presentation of an alternative, and the PA requested that it pass. China and Russia complied with both requests. In all messaging from the resistance, there is correct condemnation of the architects and supporters of the plan, not of those who abstained.
China and Russia do not have millitary bases all over the world. They cannot just invade and liberate Palestine, especially when the internationally recognized authority over Palestine, the PA, supports the plan. Resistance groups see the PA as led by compradors, but don’t wish to abolish the PLO but instead reform it. The PLO (as the PA) are kept in resistance talks, and are internationally recognized. Hamas does not claim the same status.
China’s non-intervention is not the same as the actual colonizers going in and trying to carry out their colonial project, and to focus on China when its options are limited instead of the actual perpetrators of colonization is the same logic western liberals use to condemn the resistance for any excess it commits and support Israel. By maximizing the sins of one side and minimizing the sins of the other, you equate what isn’t equal, and are working in service of western narratives that this is something popularly supported and not something condemned by a huge portion of the world.


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Can you come up with the actual primary source? You run the manufacturing consent comm, you should know the difference between primary and secondary sources. Especially when it pertains to China and the resistance.
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China and Russia vetoing would not have changed the material outcome. UNSC decisions have never once prevented the US Empire from doing what it already decided. China’s and Russia’s abstention and drafting of an alternative plan while condmening the US plan is in line with Hamas’s requests, and not vetoing the plan is in line with the PLO’s requests (as the PA). China is not the soviet union, it doesn’t play kingmaker, for better and worse, and this same non-interference policy broadly is why they are far preferred over the US Empire and its active genocidal interference.
Launching a crusade against people contextualizing China’s decision is counter-productive wrecker behavior that goes well beyond meaningful critique and straight into “left” anti-communism, and that’s highlighted by you never once actually responding to any points you’ve recieved from Marxists. You just respond with images of twitter threads, it’s insulting. I’m disappointed.
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The primary source is mentioned, Aljazeera. Dropsite is more than trustworthy enough when it comes to Palestine. They do some of the best reporting we have pertaining it.
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I don’t think you understand just how bad the resolution is. It’s literally the international rubber stamp of approval for the entire Israeli genocide. It states that an international force will go into Gaza to disarm the Palestinian resistance, and it explicitly endorses that Israel can keep colonizing Gaza until the resistance is disarmed. You can read it here, especially #7 https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/full-text-us-resolution-gaza-approved-un-security-council
As the ISF establishes control and stability, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will withdraw from the Gaza Strip based on standards, milestones, and timeframes linked to demilitarization that will be agreed between the IDF
Russia and China even had a big mouth about how bad the resolution was and then let it pass. They can choose to give up their UNSC veto rights if they believe that “it means nothing”. China and Russia are crucial part of the UN Imperialist council and have given their support blessings to Israel to colonize Palestine.
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Can’t find anything from Aljazeera claiming Hamas specifically requested Russia and China veto the plan, only Hamas condemning the plan, which is obvious as it’s a genocidal colonial project. The closest I can find is saying that the plan nominally declares that the PA has authority over Gaza, which they were optimistic about, though that may not have been from Hamas specifically as there were other mesdages mixed in, and that ultimately they don’t believe the PA will really get any authority.
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I’m aware that the plan is genocidal and colonial in nature. It’s terrible, disgustingly so, and not a single person I’ve seen has tried to convince you otherwise. I even explained how it’s likely worse than you think. What I asked, was why you think China or Russia vetoing it would stop it, as no UNSC decision has ever stopped the US Empire from doing what it wants. Adding onto this, the US stated that any veto would result in a “return to war,” ie a return to genocide on an expanded scale.

Again, I have a good deal of respect for you as someone normally with good political instincts and an anti-imperialist stance, but the problem with relying on instincts is that you sometimes overcompensate and misattribute blame. The UNSC is theater. It isn’t a real council, what matters is economic control and millitary projection, and the US and gulf states have far more of that than Russia and China do in the region.
I hope you can at least consider what I say with some degree of respect, I figure I’m owed at least that much after I’ve consistently proven myself to be firmly anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian for years, even pre-Al Aqsa Flood.
- Are you looking on Al Jazeera Mubasher?
https://youtu.be/4WbEtYY82KE?t=333
Here’s the link. Auto-translated subtitles from what I skimmed showed a pretty fierce condemnation of the proposal.
Thanks, that’s better. I see condemnation of the horrible genocidal plan, yes, but no requests to China and Russia to veto it, which leads back to my core point: China’s foreign policy relies on respecting the sovereignty of states, not groups within states. When groups in MENA like Algeria back the plan, the PA backs the plan, and the US threatens to heighten the genocide if the deal isn’t backed, then China’s hand is extremely limited. Vetoing means the US gets a free excuse to cancel the already farcical ceasefire and ramp up the genocide in order to carry out the plan anyways.
China and Russia breaking precedent and picking Hamas over the PA opens the door to the US backing seperatist groups in Taiwan in UNSC resolutions, ramp up the trade war, and more. Vetoing the plan wouldn’t meaningfully stop the plan, it would give free excuses to the US to abolish the already farcical “ceasefire,” which was their open threat at the table prior to voting. China and Russia condemning the plan, drafting an alternate resolution, and trying their best to appease both Hamas and the PA led them to abstention.
Following the resolution, I have yet to see resistance groups specifically call out China and Russia, only condemning the UNSC plan and resolution. People highlighting the 2 that abstained over the dozen that voted gleefully for the plan and the countries that plan on actively participating and facilitating it are missing the core of the issue, the US Empire, Israel, and Europe.
- Are you looking on Al Jazeera Mubasher?
https://youtu.be/4WbEtYY82KE?t=333
I’ve answered every single statement you made multiple times over the past few days, with people on Lemmygrad being unable to do anything except call it ‘trolling’ and banning me. Which is why I respond more and more annoyed and assuming I’m with people who are bad faith.
For almost everyone else I’d just post a Twitter screenshot but I’m going to make an exception for you in the hopes you’re arguing in good-faith and not just blindly advocating for anything China does.
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The Dropsite Tweet contains Arabic text without any translation so I’m assuming it’s the Arabic Aljazeera. English Aljazeera is extremely tame and tries to pander to a Western audience. For example you can find Aljazeera posting full Hamas combat videos on their Arabic Youtube channel, it’s pretty wild. Dropsite has multiple Arabic and even local Palestinians on their reporting team gathering this info. Seeing how bad the UN resolution is, the Dropsite tweet looks very credible. If that’s really all your concern I could look up whether it’s real but if it’s not going to change your mind I’m not going to waste my time on it.
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This is not about whether China or Russia can stop it. It’s whether they endorse it. The reason people recognize Israel’s borders where it is, is because the United Imperialists in 1948 voted to steal half of Palestine and give it to European colonists. The reason the UN is seen as a toothless tiger is because every time a controversial resolution heavily favoring one side is introduced, it is vetoed by the other party. Except now. I would urge you to directly stop quoting any other Arab Zionist country. Everyone has known long before this week that they are Western aligned and quoting them as if they have any say over the Palestinians is extremely imperialistic. This tweet really does describe that better than I ever could

As for the “return to war”, Israel bombed and killed more than 25 Palestinians right after the resolution passed. To the surprise of no-one.
The only thing China and Russia have done is fully normalize the genocide which they pretended to be against for 2 years and publicly announce that they believe the IDF has the right to colonize Gaza because we both know the resistance isn’t disarming. And even if it would, the IDF would claim a false flag rocket and stay there anyways. This resolution does nothing for Palesitinians except the entire United Imperialists endorsing the genocide, and collectively agreeing to reward Israel for committing genocide for two entire years, while Israel is actively violating the current ceasefire
China also wouldn’t lose face by opposing this Zionist resolution, they would save face. The resolution contained many easy points of opposition. For example it doesn’t include a Palestinian state at all. It only serves Israel, which is already saying the quiet part out loud, they’re not going to give Palestinians a state even if the resistance would be disarmed (just look at the West Bank to find out what happens if they disarm anyway).
I figure I’m owed at least that much after I’ve consistently proven myself to be firmly anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian for years, even pre-Al Aqsa Flood.
This is the mask off moment for many people to show whether they truly support Palestinians because they oppose imperialism and oppression (if you think I’m an ‘anti-imperialist’ then any “true marxist-leninist” should go way harder on this than me, I’m sure you know the ML position on imperialism). Or whether they were simply ML cosplayers who only supported Palestine because it used to be the official Chinese position, which is now no longer valid, but they have bound their entire identity to supporting China and therefore cannot mentally deal with the contradictions (similar to showing a ‘progressive’ that AOC is a Zionist but they just keep coping).
For starters, I appreciate that you at least are responding to me. I hope you understand that more than most, I try to maintain good-faith. I know that your intentions are in the right place, which is why I am trying to reach out rather than just sit out.
You were given numerous lengthy responses, and then you answered them with quips and tweets. That’s what got you labeled a wrecker more than someone legitimately criticizing China’s position. I understand that you weren’t trying to troll, but at the same time I understand why they recieved it that way, many people met your energy with lengthy comments explaining their positions and you didn’t respond in kind.
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Regarding the dropsite tweet, it looks like deceptichum found a more direct source. It’s machine translated though. I responded to it there, it seems the interviewer was trying to directly ask if Hamas asked Russia and China to veto, while Hamdan responded in a manner that almost dodges that point, instead directly calling for a better resolution (which China and Russia are drafting) as well as prevention of a return to the all-out genocide as compared to the “slower” genocide of the post-“ceasefire” resolution.
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This isn’t the case, though. China released explanations for their abstention here. They aren’t endorsing the resolution, they maintain that it’s an awful resolution and that a better alternative needs to be drafted, per the requests of resistance groups. The PRC’s stance has always been for factional unity within the PLO. Here’s an excerpt from the above link:
Notwithstanding the above-mentioned many issues in the draft resolution and China’s major concerns about it, considering the fragile and severe situation in Gaza, the imperative of maintaining the ceasefire, and the positions of the regional countries and Palestine, China abstained in the vote. It must also be noted that our concerns and worries remain. The Security Council must maintain close attention to the situation in Gaza and the Palestinian question. The Palestinian question lies at the heart of the Middle East issues. It is a matter about international equity and justice. The international community must steadfastly advance the two-State solution and pursue the political settlement of the Palestinian question. It means establishing an independent Palestinian state with full sovereignty on the basis of the 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as its capital, therefore realizing the Palestinian people’s right to statehood, survival. and return. China has always firmly supported the just cause of the Palestinian people in restoring their legitimate national rights. We stand ready to work with the international community to make unremitting efforts for a comprehensive, just, and lasting solution to the Palestinian question.
Considering the US threatened to escalate if the resolution was vetoed, and that China and Russia have no way to oppose it millitarily in the region, China picked abstention, consistent with their historical stance of siding with the PLO and opting for stability over returning to the heights of the war. Full sovereignty includes armament.
The UN isn’t seen as toothless because of how votes go and are vetod, the UN is toothless because the resolutions do not matter. Words on paper mean nothing to the genocidal US Empire, that’s why the ceasefire is already being violated. What matters is economic and millitary might, and in this instance the US and the comprador countries have full supremacy over the region.
I’m well aware of the ML stance on imperialism. Russia and China are not imperializing Palestine. Their passive anti-imperialism can absolutely be critiqued. I personally would want China to be more directly interventionist in Palestine. I understand them being wary after regular fuck ups in the latter 20th century, and I understand the risks, you yourself mentioned that you understand China not wanting trade to be used against them.
My driving point is that there is a difference between disappointment with and critique of China, and completely flipping around and equating them to the actual perpetrators of colonization. The ones who directly endorsed the plan were the 13 members who voted for it, and the ones responsible for the colonization are the UK, France, Israel, Germany, the US, Italy, every country directly involved. This misattribution gives ammo to liberals that attack China as imperialist anyways, weakening the ability for China to succeed in establishing Palestinian statehood with which they can use not as a permanent two state solution, but as a lever to pull in supporting the Palestinian cause.
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Ive read plenty of criticisms of China, maybe it was the way you put it or something else.
It’s the way they put it combined with the wrecker behavior they displayed in the comments upon getting any pushback.
No it’s for real criticism of China. China and Russia voted to pass the United States UNSC resolution to couple IDF withdrawal from Gaza to disarming the Palestinian resistance. Officially showing Chinese approval for the genocide in Gaza.
The Lemmygrad “Marxist-Leninists” can’t cope with anyone calling out Chinese imperialism because their sole grasp on theory is “China good”.






