• 14th_cylon@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    People don’t really need an incentive to have shelter

    Not necessarily true. For example if the place has “no alcohol and no being drunk” policy, some of them will rather stay out.

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      Right but that’s a choice the shelter can make and not a point against the idea that people, ultimately, won’t really refuse a place to sleep. It’s a more complex issue that takes more time than an evening so rules like “no being drunk” which sound fine don’t really help anyone.

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        I’d imagine it’d help make the unhoused who don’t want to have to deal with drunk people feel a lot safer about using them.

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          So what are the people who depend on alcohol supposed to do? They aren’t allowed to have seizures and go through withdrawal there either.

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          4 months ago

          and if you want to use public money on it, then the goal has to be to help them get back to society, to which dealing with problematic behavioral patterns, like substance abuse, is a necessity…

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              4 months ago

              What’s your point? They should continue drinking themselves to death?

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                You let them continue until they can get a spot in a medical setting where they can safely withdraw.

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                  4 months ago
                  1. that safe setting may very well be the shelter we are talking about

                  2. you are steering away from subject. it is absolutely fair to tell them “being homeless and nuisance in the street is from now on illegal. either you want help to get back to society and then you will accept the help with its terms - you are really not in a position to make demands - or you can move to some unabomber cabin in the middle of nowhere, and there you can do whatever you want”

                  • LustyArgonian@lemmy.world
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                    No, alcohol withdrawal can cause seizures and death. A shelter is not a safe place, especially because they won’t have alcohol for emergencies.

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                    4 months ago

                    So you want to create an alternate society in the wilds?

                    Well that’s one I haven’t thought about since the last time I read Brave New World and thought, good thing we’d never do that.