• RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    I haven’t played the game, but I watched a video from someone who did, and their takeaway is that they do ‘make fun of everyone,’ but they make fun of communists the most because they are also communists, and it comes from a place of tough love that deplores the end of history.

    I also read that becoming a fascist makes the game easier lol

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      “They make fun of everyone” is the calling card of a South Park fan and a clue to not listen to anything they have to say

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        And that’s the worst thing. I know he’s a cop but I hated seeing him disappointed in me 😭 It started doing drugs less when around him for that reason lol

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      They only really make fun of communists “the most” in the sense that it’s the difference between constant mostly friendly teasing and occasional genuine disdain, but at the end of the day Communism is the only ideology presented in the game as fostering hope for the future and having an actual plan to make things better, to an almost satirical extent given that you genuinely will a physically impossible miniature construct to stand upright for a brief moment.

      Meanwhile Fascism is so pathetic that the most empathetic part of its portrayal is that it kind of functions more as self harm to Harry, with him apparently willing himself into facial paralysis and brain damage by the end of the Fascism quest, Ultraliberalisms representatives are rabid death squad mercenaries and the woman who partially hired them, who in this context becomes extremely menacing as a closeted bourgeois nationalist, and Moralism is the people who kill everyone who ever wanted something better for the world, to which Harry is so completely removed from that power that if he becomes a Moralist he just fucking spouts complete bureaucratic gibberish like hes citing scripture.

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    My takeaway is, the writers weren’t so much making fun of every ideology as they were reflecting the reality that no ideology is pure and without faults. Trying find a “clean” ideology is a fool’s errand and you chose them not in spite of their faults but because of them.

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      I think they very deliberately present a spectrum of different representatives of “Communism” with all of them clashing in how much revolutionary prestige they have, how much theory they read, how much they actually do, how open they are etc.

      So you get the old communard who would clearly have the most pure theory and revolutionary prestige, but has basically devolved into the Disco Elysium definition of a Fascist due to the butchering of the revolution and the reactionary wave that followed, the students who don’t actually do any actions because they are obsessed about arriving at a pure revolutionary theory first and purging deviations, and then you have what could be seen as “mutual aid” or “community policing” in the Hardy Boys, and Evrart whos doing drug trafficking and other criminal activities to fuel an actual uprising of some sorts.

      So you’re invited to try and think critically about which of these is good and useful for “the movement”.

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    “disco elysium doesn’t make fun of you for any political ideology you may align with”

    what? the game makes fun of you entirely for any political decision you make regardless of ideology. if you go neolib, communist, or fascist the game makes fun of you.

    “the writers think politics are stupid”

    they are literally communists? i don’t get this take at all. what am i missing? i feel like the exact opposite of this take it true

    • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netOP
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      It’s a bit awkwardly worded, but the OP is saying that the game makes fun of you regardless of what ideology you choose because Harry, the character, is fundamentally unserious about whatever it is because of who he is.

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      If you play as communist, the communard veteran absolutely roasts you at the end for being a cop LARPing as a communist

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        i see i just read the rest of the thread and it seems to be a response to “it makes fun of you for everything. therefore it is centrist”

        i was missing this context, and also the context about it relating to Harry specifically