If you read my previous post on other place I asked about dating and most responses sounded like it was nice. Yes, I’m aware that relationships are not only good times (I’ve seen my mother being tired of her partner and scared of my father) but when you have literally NOTHING in your life you can’t help to idolising the things you never had…
I don’t think that’s weird, but it’s definitely sad
Air, is this the guy that makes a bunch of posts about “I’m unlovable and sad” and then when people try to offer advice or encouragement he always shoots back with some obnoxious bullshit about how they’re wrong and he’s too hopeless?
Do you want to change? Do you wish you wanted to change?
yes or no?
If you answered yes to any of those questions than there is still hope for you. There is A LOT of good willing people that want to help you. There are a lot of resources that you can use but you aren’t aware of.
If you answered no then no one can help you.
There is A LOT of good willing people that want to help you. There are a lot of resources that you can use but you aren’t aware of.
People are so very confidently telling everyone this.
Where I live, you really would think that’s the case. But for years, nothing. Even my own family is distant af, as if they didn’t understand the concept of depression. See it makes them uncomfortable that I’m not my usual happy self, so obviously that’s very rude of me.
I was also tossed out of an ER when I literally told an on-call psychiatrist I was afraid of hurting myself or others. And I meant it. It was after a very traumatic event I was genuinely so broken with nowhere to go and no-one to turn to. He got a guard to escort me out. Then I called my local free crisis hotline. They told me I’m not having a crisis and hung up.
Last time I asked an opinion about the shit healthcare I’m getting from my brother, he waived it off and now hasn’t contacted me for three weeks.
It took a lot of fighting with the healthcare here, but I finally did manage to get a therapist, and I specifically looked for someone who’s not from the same country and didn’t grow up in this emotionally stunted culture. So that’s one positive thing. But one hour a week isn’t much, and it’s only for a few years I get it.
So while I appreciate the sentiment and probably for most people these resources actually work to at least some extent, they do not work for everyone. So assuming something that might be incorrect and very triggering is something I’d advice to try and avoid if at all possible.
tossed out of an ER
I can relate. That was horrible experience for me and only by intervention of my best friend I am still here.
finally did manage to get a therapist, […] So that’s one positive thing
This is HUGE sucess. Congrats! And stick with it for at least couple of months.
Your mind is playing tricks on you where you toss out a possible solutions outright due to buried emotions.
There are a lot of different types of reaources and some work and some don’t.
Different types of Therapy (CBT, EMDR, etc.), group therapy, books and lectures, long hikes, pilgrimages, d&d, meditation, Alcoholics Anonymous, hitting the gym, temp work agency and even more esoteric ones that I don’t reccomend without trying more normal ones. They all are tools that may not work for you but there exists the tool that will work. The difficulty is in finding one that somewhat works and not giving up half way.
Yeah therapy helps, but there’s clearly an underlying physical issue that I’ve been trying to figure out for more than 20 years.
But since in my twenties I mentioned weed helping with the symptoms, I’ve since not been listened to at all, treated as a full on drug addict and every single symptom I have had have been thought to be psychosomatic.
I’ve evidence to the contrary. Supported by surgery scars, doctor’s statements (from when the doctors actually listened to me when I was younger) and I even quote peer reviewed research from credible medical journals.
But no. Just treat me like a psychotic junkie. And if I challenge them in any of that, it just confirms their “suspicions”.
I’d just need a couple of grand to waste on private doctors, but I don’t have a couple of grand extra.
So if what I had was purely psychogenic, yes, you’d be totally right. But if what I have is depression because of my underlying chronic illness going undiagnosed because of inept and unwilling healthcare, then therapy might alleviate the symptoms, but it’s not gonna make it go away completely.
My mental health isn’t 100%, but my biggest problem at the moment is Finnish bureaucracy, to which shit healthcare is very much intertwined with.
Edit oh and it didn’t take me years to go to therapy because I was unwilling, it’s because the healthcare said I didn’t need any.
I’ve since not been listened to at all,
Yeah, that sucks.
I have read some years ago tips for women on reddit how to deal with misygonic docs that don’t take problems seriously. The gist of it was to present a story with your appearence that will help the doc emphatize with you (as I remember that was to present themselfs as business woman where illness prevents them from working.)
I guess something similar could be used for drug user that somehow is intepreted as addict.
I am uninformed but I heard from psychiatrist that weed has some negative effects on mental illness.
I would consider stopping weed for a bit, ride on painkillers(? I am totally clueless) for that time and try to get prescription for weed if it’s possible (wikipedia says that it’s legal for medical use.)
I guess something similar could be used for drug user that somehow is intepreted as addict.
This would rely on the doctors first having empathy second being able to use it third be willing to use it.
I got a bit of progress when I switched my healthcare services to a hc station I knew to have young doctors. As my “drug use” is me using less alcohol than the average person, smoking high-CBD low THC weed and in my early twenties experimented with a few party drugs. This has been recorder as me having had “a serious multisubstance abuse problems”
for weed if it’s possible (wikipedia says that it’s legal for medical use.)
Ruahahaha yeah technically it is legal. There’s like a dozen people in the country with a prescription. One is a friend though. He went thorough years of pushing it through with private doctors he practically knew and he has severe nerve pain. Even then you have to eat opiates before ever being allowed to even have a doctor propose that you might benefit from legal cannabis.
Definitely would never be given to me no matter what I had, as they’ve deemed me a junkie because I admitted medical use of cannabis. Despite me having gone to weekly randomised drug tests for months on end pissing clean, showing I’m not an addict of any sort.
I am uninformed but I heard from psychiatrist that weed has some negative effects on mental illness.
High THC low CBD strains definitely can have negative effects. But usually they people who use those strains take the slight jitters their superpotent weed gives them rather than having unimaginable nervepain throbbing constantly. I’m definitely not in the “no side effects in cannabis” camp, but I had politely tried all of their things and to try and figure this shit out, I thought giving doctors more info would help. That it would help them deduce what’s wrong, because cannabis helped my horrible digestive issues, in turn helping me sleep and not be so anxious. (If your stomach constantly hurts as if you were stressing something, you begin to stress about something, even when there’s nothing to stress about. Somatopsychic instead of psychosomatic.)
But no. Basically ruined my life. Fucking wish I could go back to my 18-year old self and slap me around “honesty is overvalued and will only get you in trouble. You want to just seem like you’re honest, while lying your ass off.”
“Ride on painkillers”
Lol what? Eat ibuprofen or opiates… for digestive issues?
Yeah, you do know what you’re talking about when you say “I am totally clueless”. No offense, but spot on.
I have been without weed for months several times. Why do people always assume I haven’t?
Why do people always assume I haven’t?
I assumed that you have some sort of nerve pain like your friend and it would be unbearable.
Digestive issues are textbook examples of psychosomatic problems so I am less surprised that they didn’t help you. Maybe in what they are saying is a kernel of a truth but that’s not for me to judge as I have my own life to live and you have yours.
I have high hopes that therapy will help you.
Yeah, you do know what you’re talking about when you say “I am totally clueless”. No offense, but spot on.
I am basically Socrates. And now I don’t know what to do with that lack of knowledge. Maybe I should build a time machine and stroll around in an ancient Greece or study philosophy with my inflated ego. /j
Maybe in what they are saying is a kernel of a truth
So symptoms can appear before a supposed cause has happened?
I never had any problems with mood as a kid. Now that I can’t work, I do.
Hmm.
Almost as if there was a correlation. Which leads me to journals and basically logs of my shit I have. Which quite clearly show the correlation. Also sleep diaries (band recorder from wrist) from the better part of a year, and still. They said I don’t need sleep studies (which me and my psychiatrist were pushing for) as “just give him more antipsychotics”.
Maybe in what they are saying is a kernel of a truth
There literally isn’t and I’ve personally studied this personal issue for my entire fucking life, and know what helps what doesn’t and what is psychosomatic and what isn’t. As I’ve gone through all variations, such as when I fast, pretty much all of the problems go away, only to be replaced by the alight ones the fasting causes, but they’re nothing in comparison. Then I can stress myself out in any ways and still have none of those psychosomatic symptoms.
Maybe people should accept doctors are people and people can make mistakes. But no. So they can’t accept anything has been wrong and I could have a point. And they can’t even defend their bullshit, but when I made a complaint to the ombudsman, quoting ICD-10 and the current local doctoral guidelines, still nothing, “Nah nothing wrong done, you’re just a junkie.”
I the problems since I was a kid. I started smoking weed the first time around 17-18.
Most of my current psychosomatic issues come from the rage I get from having to deal with people like you
As a fairly attractive person who also suffers from depression. It really doesn’t matter. I can find so many reasons why other people don’t like me. So many reasons why my actions are ultimately pointless and worthless. And that’s the thing, when I’m depressed I think I’m ugly. Don’t take my word for it, think of all the Hollywood stars that have or do suffer from depression.
I don’t think it matters what you have. Depression can make a shit sandwich out of any situation. But once you work through it and become fun to be around things change. Even if you’re only fun for yourself to be around, that’s one more person who likes you.
I’ve seen a couple of your posts before and I wonder if working in customer service, maybe just as a cashier at a convenience store might help you. Its mindless, menial work but it allows for short interactions with a lot of people. You get to see your community in a different light and meet people you wouldn’t otherwise. Maybe eventually you will find your voice and gain the confidence and a few friends that will help you network into better situations. Maybe going to the gym would also help, getting proper cardio and strength training did a lot for my mood and physical self esteem. Also, you are only 35, you will be young-ish for at least another decade if you take care of yourself.
Also, you appear to live in Europe, why not save your money for a train trip to Amsterdam if never being with someone sexually is causing you so much frustration? I’m sure at least some of those workers have experience with people like yourself and would be patient enough to try to help, maybe chat about it too. Honestly just talking openly with someone like that about your situation, someone whose job it is to approach someone intimately might help. This is probably a terrible idea but it is an option, if you feel like you don’t have others it might be worth considering.
Loneliness and depression play tricks on you, keep your eyes open for possibilities and a year from now your outlook could be very different.
People like me don’t get cashier jobs dude. I quit the gym long ago it’s depressing and boring. I’m completely against doing anything with a prostitute.
Why have you convinced yourself that you have nothing and that you need to be in a relationship to have something?
Joining with the other sex and reproduction is literally the main purpose of all living beings, regardless of their level of intelligence or levels of consciousness of creating things like society and religions. When you don’t have that as your adulthood passes you feel like a failure, regardless of what anyone else thinks.
Thats not a reason why you feel that way. It’s a pseudo science excuse for it.
Dig deeper to your true feelings.
Your main purpose is whatever you make it out to be. Happiness doesn’t come from a relationship or your ability to procreate. Look inwards. Ask yourself what don’t you like about your life? What do you have the power to change?
What I don’t like my life? The fact I’m unable to attract anyone. Change? Nothing, I’m already suffering
You won’t magically be happy if you’re in a relationship. Remove that expectation from yourself. Go do something you personally enjoy. Hiking, reading, games, cooking, baking, etc. Whatever it is, just enjoy it. That’s what life is. Whatever you choose to make it to be.
I don’t like any of what you mentioned. And I already game
Just do whatever makes you happy. And if you have anyone on your life (family, friends, etc), then reach out. You don’t have to pour your heart if you don’t want. Just talk to them. Ask them how their day was. What did they have to eat today. Socialize. You can always start conversations here or in other communities if you feel like you want to do that instead.
You’re not unhappy because you’re single. Plenty of people are in relationships and are unhappy. You saw that yourself with your parents. You need to stop making a relationship seem unachievable and having it tied to your happiness and sense of self worth.
Joining with the other sex and reproduction is literally the main purpose of all living beings…
This reductive view doesn’t help you and, indeed, probably hurts your chances of getting what you so desperately want.
Drop this focus on sex and, ironically, you’ll have a better chance of having it. We can generally tell when a guy wants us only for orificial insertion; that’s a bigger turn-off than almost anything.
As others have said (that you didn’t bother to respond to) work on yourself before you start working on getting others. And in your case I would strongly recommend getting professional evaluation for possible clinical depression before it literally kills you.
Joining with the other sex and reproduction is literally the main purpose of all living beings
I would say that survival is the main purpose. For which reproducing is one of the available ‘tools’ like is eating, fighting, and running away.
Reproducing doesn’t require having to join the other. I mean, gametes exchange can be done without mating (ask plants) and you also have asexual reproducing. Mating is the way human beings are doing it, like many living species but it still is just one way.
When you don’t have that as your adulthood passes you feel like a failure, regardless of what anyone else thinks.
At the individual level, reproducing is not a necessity (a far less urgent one than is eating and surviving, ie get a shelter, get away from trouble,…). It’s only a necessity at the species level. At least, as far as I understand it.
Many people do not have sex or have sex and do not reproduce. They are fine and not unhappy and their choice is fine at the species level — it’s not like human species is on the verge of extinction because of the lack of humans: we’ve never been that many on teh surface of the planet (most probably even a little bit too many ;)
Edit: even among other species, reproducing is not the aim of all individuals. Just look at bees: the queen is the only one that will lay eggs (other bees are either workers/fighters/nurses, even though they can switch role during their lifetime they won’t ever have a baby bee) and the males… well, the one that gets to mate the queen die just after that.
This was very interesting but I wonder whether all species or even just one actually have a (shared) purpose? As humans couldn’t we all just try to find our own?
For me it would be to be a net positive to society in certain ways (that I’m not sure how to put into words and the bits I know how to could get long) before departing.
In a way we are just a very complex system that can reproduce and we are just configured to do so. Life is very good at persevering but does that make it our purpose?
I wonder whether all species or even just one actually have a (shared) purpose? As humans couldn’t we all just try to find our own?
Not sure to understand what you mean here? Would you care to develop?
In a way we are just a very complex system
We are.
Life is very good at persevering but does that make it our purpose?
If I were to define them, I would separate life (as the yet-to-be-understood ‘force’ that make some things being alive), species (all the various kind of living things, arbitrary grouped and separated in categories by science), and the individuals (be it that plant on my desk, you, or I). I don’t think they all need to have a purpose, nor that this purpose is the same.
To me, life has no purpose beside maybe being what it is. Like fire has no purpose, it simply burns and converts some types of maters into light and energy (heat). At the very least, I cannot imagine life as a ‘conscious’ being wanting something. It just is a state of thing/fact (being alive) that science still can’t explain or reproduce.
Species on the other hand they all share a same purpose, which is to thrive as a whole (grow in numbers, but not too much in order not to endanger the very space they need to live in). At least that’s how I see it.
And then there are individuals. They may or may not have whatever purpose they fancy within a somewhat restrictive 'species limitation’.
I mean, as a butterfly I would not be able to live more than a few days no would I be able to mate with a whale, no matter how badly I would want it. And we, as humans, we may have managed to push our species limits way beyond what they were (we can fly, dive underwater, even go into space, we can also live much longer and if we still can’t mate with any other non-human species we do have learned to manipulate their genome, who knows where that could lead us?) but all of that is still very fragile and very limited (flying is a thing as long as we have access to enough energy and knowledge, we live longer but we all still have to die no matter what we try). So, within those boundaries set by what our species is, I would say we’re more or less free as individuals to be what we want to be. We’re less so in certain countries than others, and in certain times.
On the other hand, I have no idea what the idea of the individual could evoke in a bee’s mind? Or ‘personal desire’?
For me it would be to be a net positive to society in certain ways (that I’m not sure how to put into words and the bits I know how to could get long) before departing.
Imho, that is a very nice objective to pursue. No matter how you would manage to achieve that goal.
When I wrote “I wonder whether all species or even just one actually have a (shared) purpose? As humans couldn’t we all just try to find our own?” I was trying to say that I don’t see a species or all species as obviously having a purpose. Basically stating that what you said in the following quote is not a given to me.
Species on the other hand they all share a same purpose, which is to thrive as a whole (grow in numbers, but not too much in order not to endanger the very space they need to live in). At least that’s how I see it.
And that I see species very similarly to the way you see life here:
To me, life has no purpose beside maybe being what it is.
If it comes up again it might be best to use the same definition for ‘life’ I personally like the one from Wikipedia: Life is a quality that distinguishes matter that has biological processes, such as signaling and self-sustaining processes, from matter that does not.
A species is only one possible configuration of life that produces similar copies of itself. What would give a species its purpose of thriving as a whole? If you ask me it just does, just like simpler systems also try to find a balance.
I’ve just realized that I made an error assuming that an individual having a purpose and their species having a purpose would be mutually exclusive. Though I do find the possibility of a species wide purpose for one to fulfill slightly constraining though I suppose it can be pretty permissive.
And then there are individuals. They may or may not have whatever purpose they fancy within a somewhat restrictive 'species limitation’.
I think we pretty much agree here.
I would say we’re more or less free as individuals to be what we want to be.
Whether or not we have free will is something have not been able to decide for myself but it seems unlikely that it would require us to be able to control the reactions in our brains. Unless you really want to I would rather not open that whole new can of worms. Anyway I think there’s nothing stopping whatever we are from being what we seem to want.
On the other hand, I have no idea what the idea of the individual could evoke in a bee’s mind? Or ‘personal desire’?
The personal desire seems impossible to answer. I’m also not sure how a bee could find its own individual purpose and I find likely that it is incapable of comprehending it. But could a beekeeper or even the bee’s environment assign it an individual purpose (maybe less applicable to a bee than other species but I hope I’m making myself clear).
Imho, that is a very nice objective to pursue.
Thank you very much, it’s nice to hear that. :)
I’m very much enjoying this back and forth so far.
Edit: Fixed formatting lol
This is an interesting take that I honestly hadn’t really considered before. As someone without the human instinct to reproduce that 99% of all humans seem to experience, it has always felt a bit like I am an alien from a different planet. Or like I am born without one of the lesser senses or something. But thanks for this. It was an interesting read.
As someone without the human instinct to reproduce that 99% of all humans seem to experience, it has always felt a bit like I am an alien from a different planet. Or like I am born without one of the lesser senses or something.
You’re not. Or you’re not alone.
My spouse and I (50+ year-old) have been together for 25+ years and have no children — be it by making them the good old way, or by using some medical help, or by adopting them (to remind the OP there is more than one way to ‘reproduce’ as human beings).
We never had any drive/urge to have and raise children, so for us it was a question we tried to answer in a calm and non-emotional way: will we or will we not have children? Also, we were still a young couple when we realized the absolute shit world they would have to live in as adults, which did indeed help us a bit in deciding to not have children.
25 years later, I don’t think we ever regretted it. But, who knows, maybe people like us do indeed lack of something important? I doubt it, though.
But thanks for this. It was an interesting read.
You’re more than welcome.
We are more than our instincts. But sure, I acknowledge that following some instinctual drives can give some satisfaction.
For example: I made a choice to not have children and I am happy with my choice. I don’t feel like I am missing out on anything. It’s actually quite the opposite. While I see my peers raising little shits, I get to stay a little shit and embrace my inner child. It’s half a selfish choice because I want my life to be better, and half a compassionate choice because the world doesn’t need new children for its meat grinder.
If I had little choice and was forced onto a path, that would be disheartening. So I get you.
Thing is, that a relationship can be very fulfilling, this is true.
But thinking, that being in a relationship will fix a bad view on life or problems, the relationship will suffer.
Relationship is work. And often very painful work, because you have to step over your shadow and accept, that some of your deeply treasured perspectives (that protected you in times of pain) are now just wrong and destroy said relationshipSo starting to work on yourself and being content with yourself is always the first step. Else the relationship will be even harder to work through those issues
At least that was my experience
But yeah, having someone to love is great and having someone to love you is nice.First, you must love yourself. Then, love others - family, friends, or strangers. Expect nothing in return. If you can get over those two hurdles, it will be a lot easier to be loved.
Imagine if you hated tofu. But you wanted to convince others to love tofu. Maybe you’re a door to door tofu salesman. Only a gifted con artists can make that sale. In this example you are tofu.
In every relationship, from professional to familial to romantic, you must constantly give more than you get. Most of what you give will be taken for granted. But you’ll notice who appreciates you, and they will get more of your time and effort.
Anyway it’s not that great being loved. It’s a burden in some ways, because of how carefully that burden must be carried. You must act in service to those who love you. Love can be suffocating, and blinding. Many people forgo their own health in service to those who love them. It’s a difficult balance. But for evolutionary reasons, it feels like it’s “enough” in life to be loved. And that peace is hard to find through other means.
There’s a freedom that comes with loneliness. You can travel and explore. You can take much bigger risks. You can make foolish and selfish decisions.
This has always been such an completely and totally offensive rhetoric imo. The notion that one has to be perfect before they are even allowed to have a relationship is absolutely ridiculous and untrue. Do you know what helps things like self esteem and self love? Having a support network which includes having a caring and considerate partner. Expecting people to magically heal themselves in isolation is absolutely ridiculous and unhelpful. Every human being is flawed in some way. It’s ok to seek connection while having flaws. Literally everyone is flawed and most people don’t wait until they are the perfect specimen of a human being to look for connections with someone. It is ridiculous to suggest that someone should.
Edit: I am not trying to say that a partner will magically fix anyone. And I agree it’s good to be comfortable with yourself whether or not you have a partner. But I can’t stand when people repeat ad nauseum the bullshit that is telling people that they have to fix themselves before they are allowed to make human connections. It’s honestly damaging.
I never said anything about perfect or flawless; nobody is. Loving yourself is warm-up for loving others. You need to practice patience and forgiveness. You need to accept the person (or self) as they are, but also support them in their own journey for self improvement. If you don’t have the patience and hope for yourself, you should not expect to have that compassion for others.
The only love you get for free is from your parents, and not all parents even give it so freely.
Anyway I don’t consider this advice to be rhetoric. I’m not arguing for anything or selling anything. I’m just trying to share my experience with love. It’s not an easy thing to understand. You are free to ignore anything you don’t think is true.
Who do you admire in the world? What are the qualities in them you admire? What prevents you from possessing those qualities? If you admire that somebody would join a circus, practice juggling. If you admire those who are generous with their time or money, be more generous. You will eventually find you are the person you admire, if you work toward it.
So the love and compassion I have for some of my family and friends is negated and is fake because I don’t love myself? Am I supposed to stop interacting with all of them?
No I’m saying their love for you is less than it could be. They want you to succeed, they want you to be your best self. They want you to feel good about yourself. And if you do, they will love you for taking care of somebody they love (you).
Yes, you do have to fix yourself before you can create stable interpersonal relationships, because what happens is that you can end up bringing some of that negative energy into whatever relationship you find yourself in, creating a burden for those around you.
This could then lead to a negative feedback loop where you lose your friends/partner, and end up hating yourself more.
If no one’s going to love you, you might as well love yourself.
I entirely disagree that you need to love yourself. More than anything you need to want to work on yourself.
Self-improvement is also an act of self love and acknowledging your flaws helps you better build yourself up so you can better love yourself
If I think I’m a lost cause, why would I even try. Some people think they deserve to feel like shit. But I also agree with you that the desire to not feel like shit is what got me working to feel better. But liking myself is the lube that keeps the whole machine from seizing up into anxiety and depression.
I’ve just looked at your post history and it seems we have a lot in common, I’ve been out of work, have depression, feel incredible lonely at times. I spent my life on the other hand chasing relationships, sex, none of it solved my issues because my issues are deeper than that. Yours probably are too and my advice is to find what it is you need and the rest will full in to place.
Good luck out there comrade.
when you have literally NOTHING in your life
Clearly not you then. You don’t appear to be dying from starvation, cold, or conflict. You’re articulate and capable of writing with perfectly acceptable spelling and grammar. You have access to the internet. You’re way ahead of 90% of humanity. Check that privilege!
Get off your self-pity cloud and do something. Learn some new skills - there’s plenty of free courses out there. Improve yourself. Learn skills, earn money, use money to better your situation. Stop blaming the world, it owes you nothing. You, and only you, are responsible for your happiness.
You can’t be serious. Even the beggar at the street has a phone with internet, that means nothing, some people have no escape
Ah, so all the stuff you do have is ‘nothing’.
Stop deflecting and do some work.
You are missing my point completely, stop repeating that I’m not doing any more work.
You’re the one missing the point. You can make your life better. You are choosing not to. Your loss.
No, not really. Even my parents that worked hard all their lives still miserable and probably less happier than they had ever been. There’s no choice for many
So you’re trying sweet fuck all and that’s not working out for you. What’s your Plan B? Just bitching about it?
The grass always looks greener in the neighbors yard.
Being desired is OK. Having sex is OK. Feeling deeply understood is unmatched.
I was in a 12 year relationship and I didn’t feel that. I am in a new 1 year relationship and I don’t feel that. Do I appreciate my partner? Yes. Am I attracted to them? Yes. But I crave to be understood.
I’m missing something naturally primordial though. This isn’t the same as “oh I don’t have the most current iPhone” being with someone is something that more of less happens to “everyone”
All I can say is try be your best self. Try respect and love yourself. Try live up to your own standards and try to achieve the goals that you set for yourself. That kind of energy is attractive. Don’t fuss with people who couldn’t give a damn about you.
I will never love myself. And I’ve said this before, loving yourself isn’t necessary to attract someone, my parents are the living proof. I’m already my best self, being more than this is too much
You are asking for help, but not receiving it. Loving yourself is necessary. You are not your best self, until you do love yourself. Do something each day that makes you like yourself a little bit. Help people. Helping others is the easiest way to feel valuable, to feel appreciated, to feel loved.
I’m sick and tired. I don’t wanna help anyone, I’m low class dude, I need money and help already.
Most of the people helping the homeless are barely housed themselves. There are many who are in a worse position than you. Some people can’t walk or access the internet. Some people have money but can’t grocery shop. Check out the is guy he has found that it’s very easy to help others, you just have to listen and nod:
I’ve been depressed too. Cardio exercise is an easy, but temporary way to feel better. Helping people is the easiest way to feel valued. Help an old person use a computer. It doesn’t have to be difficult.
Anyway, hope you find something to put your energy into.
It really doesn’t happen to everyone. There are outliers like us, OP. Do you want to date and have sex or do you only want it because society thinks you should? What do you personally want? Also curious, but how old are you?
You don’t have to answer any of these questions if you aren’t comfortable. I am just curious because I’ve also always been a bit of an outlier in society. Mine is in a bit of a different way than yours, but it’s always interesting to hear about. I’m 30.
35, is sad.
Hi!
I understand that you’re feeling frustrated, but it’s important to consider that there are so many great things in life other than sex and reproduction. You’re not a failure, you’re still young, and there’s so many great things to see, learn, and do! There are even people who choose not to have sex, get into a romantic relationship, or have kids, and they’re capable of living happy lives. Your purpose in life is whatever you want it to be.
There’s over 8 billion people on this planet, and finding someone who loves you for you is just a matter of when, not if. For now, I’d think about why you feel the need to put yourself down this much. What makes you think that you have literally nothing in your life, and what would make you reconsider that thought? Do you really feel that you have nothing and you need to be in a relationship with someone to have something, or is it something that others have pressured you into believing?
People don’t have access to the 8 billion human beings. So that logic makes no sense. I have NOTHING. Barely work, still live with my mother, can’t drive, don’t have savings or money, I don’t have the skills to attract people, I have nothing.
I didn’t choose anything though. I’m cursed with a sexless and cold life.
I never said they do, but with how many people there are, it’s pretty much inevitable that you’ll find someone who is into you and loves you for you. What’s wrong with living with family? I think it’s a good thing for family to stick together.
You say you can’t drive. What’s preventing you from learning? As for work, have you tried getting a mentor? Mentors can be free or they can be paid, but they can help put you on a career path that suits you, and provide feedback and guidance. They can help you achieve what goal(s) you have set in mind and to become the best version of yourself.
Read OP’s history. While they likely are suffering, they aren’t looking to change. Post after post, they just shoot down all the well-meaning attempts to help. Save your efforts
Good point. I just spotted the name. I should stop engaging.
Do you sometimes feel like you were born on the wrong planet?
Wrong side of the world and generation.
Yeah it’s a though situation to be in. And at every corner they’re shouting YOU ARE WRONG.
Thank you, very helpfull 🙄
Because he is wrong. It’s that simple, that stark.
His misery comes from within and, worse, it defends itself from ending by insisting he can’t be anything but miserable. He needs professional help, not the help of random people on the Internet.
Thank you, very helpfull 🙄
I don’t know everything about companionship, but I know when it comes to finding it, you have to try smarter, not harder. I can’t emphasize how often I’ve spoken to someone who was in the process of looking for that who were sticks-in-the-mud. If you go into the game thinking of it in terms of a destination with no unique strategy, would you expect you would stand out?
