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    China’s sales of electric vehicles and hybrids have in fact reached a tipping point. They’ve accounted for more than half of retail passenger vehicle sales

    If you have cheap electricity and cheap batteries, people will buy EVs. Colour me surprised.

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      If you have cheap electricity and cheap batteries, people will buy EVs. Colour me surprised.

      Cheap EVs is part of it, and that part is subsidies from the government, but China has also increase the registration cost of pure ICE vehicles. Yeah, you can still buy them, but they’ll cost you a lot of extra money to register them to be legal to drive on the roads in China. On top of this, in major congestion areas, you have to get entered in a lottery to even get a license plate (ability to register a car). The government in China continues to reduce the number of ICE license plates available, and increases EV license plates. (source)

      So its a lot more than just “cheap electricity and cheap batteries” in action in China causing this massive switch to EVs.

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          And here I have to pay more to register my hybrid.

          Same for my EV (double the hybrid registration cost in my state). However, that’s because of how road taxes are collected on the sale of gasoline/diesel fuel. Its still overpaying on EV taxes though. For the same registration fee I pay on an EV ($200/year) I could drive over 15,000 miles on a gasoline car getting 30 miles to the gallon. I drive maybe 11,000/year so I’m overly taxed compared to ICE drivers.

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            That’s the excuse they give, yes. That doesn’t mean it’s why they do it, though.

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              Sure, one action can have multiple reasons and outcomes. I agree with it in part that I need to pay my fair share of road taxes. I also recognize that this is a relatively new market force, and highly accurate consumption-to-taxation isn’t in place yet (again, for many reasons).

              That doesn’t mean it’s why they do it, though.

              Its not the only reason they do it.

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                Its not the main reason they do it.

                More money is, of course, nice for them. But that doesn’t mean it’s their main reason. We can ascribe all sorts of benevolent reasoning to politicians, but reality often disagrees.

                It’s a regressive policy made as a reaction, and not an action, and thus inherently destructive.

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                  It’s a regressive policy

                  Agreed.

                  made as a reaction

                  Agreed.

                  and not an action,

                  Err, clearly an action. A reaction IS an action by definition.

                  and thus inherently destructive.

                  Point of order, counselor. Conclusion not supported by the facts. If you apply your same logic ( and conclusions) to the COVID lockdowns, then your conclusion would be those were unnecessarily destructive.

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        The government in China continues to reduce the number of ICE license plates available, and increases EV license plates. (source)

        Afaik, they had (still have?) a massive air pollution issues in certain areas. This looks like attempt to alleviate these problems

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        China doesn’t produce much oil domestically so it’s a good strategic move not to let their peoples lives become too intertwined with gasoline. We’ve seen the US how much it drives people’s politics if they 1. can get gas (goodbye Jimmie Carter) and 2. pay less for gas (goodbye Biden).

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      Not if the batteries are cheap. I dont want a car whose batteries die after 1 year.

      Give me good batteries

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        Some have crazy long warranties. (10+ years) Not sure if they apply in America.

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          Still 10 years isn’t long. Good LiFEPO4 cells are rated for 10,000 cycles. Thats 192 years for a vehicle used to pickup groceries once per week (my intended usage). Or 27 years if driven every day.