• Rose Thorne(She/Her)@lemm.ee
      402·
      2 days ago

      Heroes aren’t always good people. Their reasons are lost to time to the average person, but the message is remembered. The actions supersede the reason.

      Guy Fawkes is not remembered as a person, he’s remembered as a figure.

      Not calling this a good thing.

      • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de
        171·
        2 days ago

        I mean immediately sure but in reality he was just an early al-qaeda prototype trying to spread his religion by blowing people up

        • ricecake@sh.itjust.works
          15·
          2 days ago

          Yeah… Of all the antigovernment people to latch onto it’s vaguely unfortunate that we landed on fawks. Like, I do get that it’s a pop culture reference more than an actual historical reference, but still.
          There was legitimate persecution of Catholics in England at the time, so it doesn’t least have a veneer of fighting tyranny, but he didn’t even actually succeed.

          Shoulda gone for Louis Lingg. A bit more modern, and had the awesome criminal defense that “it’s his right to fill his house with dynamite”.

    • CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org
      7·
      2 days ago

      every folk hero, just as, for instance, any of the national myths, are mostly entirely made up, and as more time passes, the less historical truth remains. This, simply speaking, is folklore, that has nothing to do with actual history, its more about communicating ideas and ideologies, that you imply with the story you’re making up, tying it up to real historical characters is just a way of cheap advertisement. I believe, we must not ever forget that, as we are destined to have lots of useless fights otherwise.

      • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
        2·
        2 days ago

        Between Anonymous, Occupy, and proud boys all using the same mask, the only shared symbolism for the Guy Fawkes mask is really “resistance” of some kind. Which is so broad, it’s hard to call it a symbol at all.

        • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
          3·
          2 days ago

          Did the Proud Boys not understand that the government V opposed was homophobic, Islamophobic, and hyper-christian? Did they not understand that the movie has multiple gay heroes? Did they not understand it was directed by trans women? The Proud Boys aren’t V! They’re the Party!

    • XEAL@lemm.ee
      3·
      2 days ago

      You guys know what V was trying to make happen, right? RIGHT?!

  • jaybone@lemmy.world
    9·
    2 days ago

    Is this what the cops are saying he changed his clothes into now?

    They ought to start calling him the clean assassin with how frequently he changes clothes.

  • schizolol9@lemy.lolEnglish
    21·
    2 days ago

    Guys we gotta problem looks like bro has been caught. We gotta find a way to free him!

  • RiQuY@lemm.ee
    12·
    2 days ago

    Can someone share the origin of this meme? (The hooded smiling man) I can’t find anything on Know Your Meme and it’s everywhere.

      • RiQuY@lemm.ee
        321·
        2 days ago

        Thanks, but weird that we are making memes about a criminal.

        • Serialchemist@ttrpg.network
          15·
          2 days ago

          Yes - it’s true the healthcare CEO had more blood on his hands than the shooter, but that’s no reason to refer to the CEO as a criminal!

          He was just a greedy, unethical monster who lived off the largess of others’ suffering.

          • anachronist@midwest.socialEnglish
            5·
            2 days ago

            To the extent that he wasn’t a criminal it’s only because our government is too corrupt to make his actions illegal.

          • RiQuY@lemm.ee
            13·
            2 days ago

            Killing the CEO will change nothing, the solution is to add regulations to healthcare companies, including jail penalties if necessary.

            • Phoenicianpirate@lemm.eeEnglish
              3·
              2 days ago

              Some companies have already backed away from some of their more predatory stuff… so it did have an effect.

        • HiddenLayer555@lemmy.mlEnglish
          5·
          2 days ago

          The man he killed was a thousand times more criminal than the shooter.

          The shooter may be a criminal, but he significantly reduced the total criminality of this world.

        • RiQuY@lemm.ee
          13·
          2 days ago

          I love the double morale of some people with the meme templates.

          Lots of people encouraging others to stop using the guy at the “change my mind” meme because that person is bad but it’s ok to use a literal criminal (the one that killed the CEO of a company)?

          I didn’t know that killing was considered a good action depending if the one dead is rich or not. /s

          • HiddenLayer555@lemmy.mlEnglish
            3·
            2 days ago

            Oh won’t somebody think of the hyper rich oligarchs exploiting sick and dying people for profit?!?!?!

            Buddy, bootlicking the billionaires won’t make them reconsider denying your insurance claim.

    • ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world
      13·
      2 days ago

      Look up Guy Fawkes. I don’t remember all the details but I think he was some French guy who got executed for something.

      Unless you’re talking about that specific person wearing that outfit in which case he’s from the movie V for Vendetta with Natalie Portman and Hugo Weaving.

      Edit: I don’t know how to read.