As someone who grew up before computers and smartphones were commonplace, for the most part you could still life in the same way as you did before computers and smartphones, because all the things you’d need still exist. You’d just be horribly out of the loop of the way modern life functions… But you could do it.
What’s interesting is that pretty much no one wants to live this way any more. It was pretty damn boring a lot of the time.
Yeah but maybe a bit of our problem is people don’t get bored anymore. The feeling of boredom is an important one and we stuff it down with dopamine doping and doom scrolling. When I was a child, if I got bored I went outside, or I saw if my friend could play, or I got a toy out. Once smart phones came along suddenly being bored was just an invitation for Reddit— Lemmy— to fill in the void.
I’m glad that Lemmy is not as addictive as Reddit was. I want to be bored a bit sometimes. Boredom makes me do chores instead of ignore them. Or play with my kid more. Or go hiking.
I don’t imagine 80s kids would have said they had boring childhoods, just because they weren’t completely soaked up with phones demanding their attention 24/7.
My childhood wasn’t boring, but I was bored an awful lot. And I agree, boredom can be a great motivator. But I can’t say that I miss being bored.
I think nobody would really say their childhood was boring. But if you were to take a kid from the 80s and a kid today and compare their daily lives, regardless of what interests they have, the 80s kid would find their own life pale in comparison. You’ve got video games, movies, social media, news, books, and music on the entertainment front. There’s so many paths to express one’s creativity, whether in art, music, engineering, film. And of course nothing is really stopping you from doing anything you could do 30 years ago and doing it today.
This. It destroys real life community and severs local bonds between people. It makes one ungrounded.
To take a step back and think of our parents letting us out of the house to roam where we did without having any way of getting into contact with us is absolutely bonkers to me as a parent now.
I’m having to work on a safety plan for a trade school. There is no good way of establishing communication across campus in the event of a disaster outside of A) Walkie Talkies or B) Cellphones. And honestly I can’t entrust faculty and staff to grab a walkie talkie in such an event. What I can trust is that they’ll have their cellphone on them.
To take a step back and think of our parents letting us out of the house to roam where we did without having any way of getting into contact with us is absolutely bonkers to me as a parent now.
You’ve bought into paranoia. In the US, most areas are far safer than they were in previous generations. Crime rates are largely down from their highs in the 70’s and 80’s. And even the 90’s wasn’t a safe time, by comparison. Even in the 90’s, the whole “stranger danger” crap was so overblown that it probably did far more harm than good. The problem today is that news, both traditional and online are a 24x7 feed of “doom, DOOM, DOOOOOOOOOOOOM!” which give a horribly skewed perspective on how bad things really are. For my own kids, they disappear with the neighbors’ kids for hours at a time, and we’ll call them in when it gets dark. This usually involves either yelling from the front porch (I really wish I could whistle like my mother did. I could hear that whistle a mile off); or, calling around to the various houses until we find them. They don’t have cell phones yet, and probably won’t for a few more years, as they just don’t need them. Also, I don’t want to worry about an expensive electronic device ending up left somewhere or smashed.
Oh no, I agree with you entirely. That’s my point, I know it’s safer than ever and yet I still want that connection. You can call that paranoia, I call it an overabundance of caution for the soul that means most to me. How my parents did it without that connection during a time that wasn’t safe by comparison is amazing to me.
I’m not worried about my child’s safety in terms of other people. I’m worried because I know all the dumb, outright dangerous shit I did as a child and that they are as predisposed as I am.
A bit of things are harder to do now, without smartphone or especially without computers. I have no idea how this is going in the US, but here (France) there’s been a big push for “all online” stuff, including mandatory administrative tasks. Less digital alternative are still mostly available, but the trend of being able to handle thing without computers is clearly dying. And yes, this means an increasing number of people is lost and can’t do stuff we expect them to do; it seems not enough people care.
And, even outside of that, having a bank account these days can require having a smartphone, more specifically an iOS or Android; the “bank app” being used as an authenticator and required for anything from logging-in on their website to performing money transfers.
We still can operate offline, mostly, but there’s a huge push toward changing that. And I’m not sure there’s a way to make that without leaving a lot of people behind.
Yes we are probably at the tail end of the time where you can still pay with cash, go to the bank branch, handle things at government offices, etc.
I’m trying to not spend too much of my time online and I’m going kinda successful on that. But I can’t say the same about living without smartphone. I need it to study through PDFs and reading EPUB books. I’m 31 years old, so I picked a tiny part of the “pre terminally online era” during my childhood. However, I’ve became a sort of internet addict in my teens. I should be avoided it, but it’s a bit to late. Can’t fix the past, but I can fix my future.
I strongly believe we will evolve around the technology we created.
What made sapiens evolution unique was our ability to communicate. We are exponentially increasing that ability.
Relevant meme…
It’s a media art piece by Mark Vomit.
Thanks!
Yeah, I love my phone and the whole world it opens up, having access to so much information in my pocket. But I also hate how tied we are to them now. I bought tickets for a gig recently and the only way I can access them is by downloading an app (that I’m only going to use for this one gig). What if I didn’t have a smartphone? What if I didn’t want to take a smartphone to a gig? You aren’t allowed to go to this gig without one, and it’s a small thing, but I don’t like how the option is out of your hands.
Pretty much every supermarket in the UK now requires you to download an app so you can access their offers. I hate this so much.
The most ridiculous part are services insisting you install an app when everything their app does could be in a progressive web app. PWAs are less work to develop as they can run on any device with a browser. For fast food and clothing brands especially, I think PWAs are a no brainer. (Unless you want to track your customers coughTimHortonscough)
It’s your last point there. They want you to install an app because said apps can collect a lot more data points on a
foolconsumer than a web app.Decathlon you need a smartphone for their loyalty card. Only upside is you don’t have to get receipts for their 1 year return policy.
In my country (Czech Republic) you can tell them your email address that is tied to your account
My family got a new KitchenAid stove and I wanted to set a stop time for the oven while we went for a walk. I am able to do this on my shitty oven at our apartment.
I had to connect the stove to wifi, download an app, make an account, and link the stove. All to set a timer. Even then of course there was an error linking them.
Usually I wouldn’t have done that but I was really looking forward to the walk. I was one of the first adopters of Hue lights and used to be excited for smart home stuff. But this is so stupid.
Wondering if it’s some sort of data collection thing and also there’s no way a kitchen appliance company focuses on security and making their wifi connected devices secure.
So dumb.
I never buy any appliances with WiFi or any IoT shit, I draw a hard line there. That shit is cancer.
I’m willing to buy smart appliances, but only if they are LAN only and connect to HomeAssistant. No data collection, no privacy policy, no outside access
It’s getting harder not to buy ones tbh
It is pretty ridiculous. They started doing the same thing with app ticket at Red Rocks in Colorado. So I have an ancient android phone I use for that shit now, doesn’t even have a sim card in it. Has the ticket app and I may put a grocery store app on it at some point, but otherwise it’s factory fresh. They can keep their grubby apps off my real phone.
There’s always a way to get tickets without using an app.
It just takes LOTS OF MONEYYYYY
The smartphone is the only science fiction thing we have.
We didn’t get table top fusion reactors, food pills, Rosie the robot, casual commercial space travel, flying cars, hoverboards, etc…
But we did get a little computer we can carry around that has literally everything in it. It’s a camera, it’s camcorder, it’s a microcassette voice recorder, computer, telephone, book, TV, video conference system, remote control for all my lights, remote control for the TV, a McDonald’s ordering device, instant messenger, magazine, radio, GPS for my car, GPS tracker for my family, health monitoring device, flashlight, Sears catalog - It would probably be harder to come up with a list of things that it can’t do.
You can take my smartphone from my cold dead hands.
This kind of “single device that replaced an entire backpack of stuff” is why there are no computers in the Dune universe.
They would make the plots too easy to resolve.
The whole no computers thing in Dune never made any sense. The only difference between a computer and an industrial controller is scale, not kind. We had wood computers in the 19th century. Some of them are still operating.
Ok lets talk about sewage. To turn human feces into dirt we use stages, to move from stage to stage we use screw conveyors. Without computers how are you going to regulate the speed of it? When to run them? Deal with clogs? Report motor problems?
Nothing would work beyond about the 1840s. And yet they act like it does. Which brings me to my fantheory about Dune: Just assume everything is told by inbred religious royality morons cosplaying and it all makes sense. Why do they fight with swords? Why cant they fold space without spice and yet clearly could in the past? Why do they think the Bene witches have powers? Because they are religious royality morons cosplaying.
From: Leia@royal.ald
Subject: Deathstar plans
We did get flying cars. They are called helicopters. Impractical except for niche applications.
Look at the mofos you see only dealing with driving in straight lines on the ground and tell me you want them flying. Like a week ago I made the foolish mistake of honking (one honk) someone who cut me off and they got behind me just so they could rage honk and tailgate me for a solid minute. You want that guy with access to the ability to drop stuff from above?
I don’t trust most LA drivers to handle two degrees of freedom (technically one and a half) why the fuck would I trust them with six then?
touch grass lad
I agree, in fact let’s get rid of all technological advances humans have made in the past few hundreds of thousands of years. Man wasn’t intended to use “tools” like weapons or agriculture or housing or machine manufacturing. Our ORIGINS say we’re monkeys, we shouldn’t be walking on 2 legs or speaking like this! After all, social sedentary culture and technological advancement is COMPLETELY UNNATURAL and NOT AT ALL a core part of an ““intelligent”” species’ evolution! Ooo ooo aaa aaa
So, return to monke?
Turn Monke my friend Ooo oo aaaa!
Does anyone disagree with this? My city gives out smartphones to people who can’t afford them because it’s cheapest way they can get access to city services. Much more efficient then having staff in an office to enter data and make calls on their behalf.
I mean, the city handing out phones like this kind of highlights just how important it is considered to have a cellphone these days.
Do they also have access to public internet and public charging stations? What happens if the phone is lost or damaged??
I’m not 100% but they will replace the phone if damaged. I’m not sure about if it is lost. There is probably a cut off where giving out phones is considered worse than having social workers enter data for certain people. There is housing assistance which would include electricity. I suppose you could charge at city service points? The cell phone plan includes Internet access.
Which country is this in?
In the US there is a federal program that does the same.
I’ll tell ya, it’s getting a lot harder to drive around my horse and buggy with all these darned automobiles on the road. These iron chariots are making the simple pleasures a real humdinger.
Horses and iron chariots are evil capitalist ploy. Embrace walking bare foot.
fire-breathing dragons, they are!
I thought I lost my phone before moving states and nearly burst into tears. It has my insurance, the map, what if something happened to me on the road, etc. It was an awful spiraling feeling. Thankfully I found it, but it was a hard reality check of how much I have tied to this little device.
Yup. Ive spend a lot of time with backups and screenshots of my apps/home screen in case I need to replace it, and I still get weird when I think about it. Years of settings and customization built up, no way I’d be able to get it back 100%.
Why don’t you just back things up through iCloud or Google Drive?
I do, but it doesn’t back up everything. Android just doesn’t have the backup that apple has unfortunately.
Aw, dang. That’s annoying
I run a contracting business and have had straight panic attacks over not being able to find my phone as I’m rushing out the door for the day. I really need to set up an asterisk server and keep my sim cards there but I just don’t have time, nor am I paying a service a ridiculous monthly fee to run it.
Uhm can you explain a little more about the asterisk server and the sims cards. I thought asterisk wasn’t for mobile phones.
I’m trying to remember myself, but I remember reading about a way to feed a sim interface into a digital telephony card for use with asterisk. It was basically like a modem the fed a voip/sip line into the system. This was years ago that I read this and I could be completely misremembering it.
I know Apple is restrictive, like that other guy who commented who likes to apply customizations, but I love that apple products talk to each other seamlessly. I could have gone on through my tablet, except that I don’t pay for it to have its own wireless signal.
That’s actually how I found my phone. My neighbor let me tag on to her WiFi and I used the Find My Phone feature with my iPad. Saved me from a meltdown lol
And even if you have a smartphone, you are strongly encouraged to get WhatsApp and donate all of your data to Meta that way. Not too long ago someone told me about having sent me messages through a channel don’t even use. I wonder if WhatsApp still shows me as online even though I haven’t used the app in more than 10 years.
I hate that very much. I don’t use any of Meta’s apps, except for WhatsApp. Why ? Because everyone here in Italy uses it and without it I can’t contact basically anyone. Want to contact a medic ? WhatsApp. Want to send a document to a clinic ? WhatsApp. Want to make a group chat with some study collegues ? WhatsApp, because not everyone wants to download Telegram or anything else. No one uses SMS or iMessages. Only WhatsApp…
I’ve been telling people around me to install Signal. If you want to send me messages, install Signal. I’m not installing WhatsApp, any time soon.
Doctor: Please send the exam results.
Lemming: Install Signal.
Doctor: What?I find it highly unprofessional when people use WhatsApp in a work related contexts. When it comes to healthcare matters, I find it completely unacceptable due to privacy and security concerns. Might as well ask me to print my private health related data on a post card and send that to the doctor.
Want to contact a medic ? WhatsApp. Want to send a document to a clinic ? WhatsApp.
Pretty sure this goes against multiple EU laws.
Italian here! You just described our country!
Tbf where I live it’s messenger and that’s way worse than WhatsApp.
To the best of your ability, can you tell why WhatsApp is so prevalent? How is it any different than texting or calling someone normally?
Same is true for most of South America. In Brazil, iphones are very expensive luxuries, so the majority of the population had to deal with android phones. Which google, in their infinite wisdom, never made a decent messaging app that lasted more than 1 year.
Whatsapp had this great feature that it let you find contacts by phone number, plus you got to talk infinitely as long as you had internet, so the transition was very easy for people moving from feature phones.
In a very short time, the app reached critical mass. If you insisted on not using whatsapp, people would just ignore you, the hassle of having to use another app or, god forbid, sms you (sms used to be charged per message sent) was just not worth it.
In a lot of countries, especially in Europe, most texting happens over WhatsApp.
Cell providers took a long time providing free SMS/MMS, especially internationally, and lots of people in Europe have international contacts. So apps like WhatsApp became the go-to, since you could just use your data plan to message.
Same in Portugal, it’s maddening
You should talk to your close contacts about switching to Signal
Up until long-covid and being over-worked kicked me out of a job and onto my ass for a few months, I was a caseworker for adults with severe mental illness for years.
Helping people get a government phone was a necessity if we were working on transitioning them out of their residential care facility into more independent living.
It was such a frustrating struggle for the Clients without phones… Reminders, telephonic appointments, me being able to reach them was so much more difficult if they didn’t have a phone. Even being in RCFs, the resident line was always busy or misplaced, and staff at those facilities are not always the most stellar employees…
When covid hit and everything went on lockdown, it was nearly impossible for my team and myself to reach our Clients without cellphones…
Cellphones have become so ingrained in society and are essential for access to not only normal community resources, but also essential for adequate coordination and access to one’s treatment team and resources.
It’s getting harder and harder to function in society without a cellphone. That trend will only continue. I don’t think it’s necessarily/inherently a bad thing; it’s the evolution of our society. But it certainly is a terrible thing if you do not have one…
For all the trouble it causes, the benefits I’ve seen for people experiencing disability that smart phones and Internet has is amazing. I think we do need to be treating Internet access as something people just need to live in a modern society, like water or electricity. We are probably at the point where a basic smartphone or laptop shouldn’t be considered a luxury.
As a society we place huge importance on reading and writing literacy yet forget that digital literacy is just as important. Having a cell phone is, like it or not, a pretty big part of being literate in this digital world. We don’t see people acting proud of themselves for not being able to read (at least I hope not), and cell phones should be no different.
“I don’t even have a smart phone” is the new “I don’t even own a TV.”
Right? It’s a basic expectation that you have a phone number for everything. Work, doctor, etc. But we still treat it like having a phone is a luxury, for entertainment and convenience. Buy it yourself and figure it out yourself!
Hell, even restaurants are more and more replacing menus with QR codes
The one thing that really makes me sad about common cellphone usage is the lack of face-to-face connection. It’s a trip because I went through middle and high-school without smart phones, everyone did. I miss those regular, everyday connections with people.
Those that haven’t gown up a significant amount of time without smartphones don’t think the difference is that severe, or that the connections we’ve replaced them with are the same or superior, but it just… isn’t.
Is it really the phones or is it just that connecting to people after high school gets harder?
True, school is nice in that it forces you to hang out with your peers, and that isn’t really emulated later in life. But I don’t think that’s the point.
The point is that it’s just tougher to have non distracted conversations. Or even non distracted periods of time hanging out.
It just feels awkward when someone is sitting there texting with someone else in front of you. Or just looking something up on their phone “really quick”, and then is MIA from the conversation for five minutes.
This is it. They don’t warn you in high school, but after school your friends will be in colleges or jobs miles away. This is just the way it is and if anything, cellphones would theoretically allow people to stay connected.
Smartphones turned everyone into chronic flakes though too. You can always bail at the last minute on flimsy plans you made when you were drunk because “you’re not feeling it”.
Both. It makes it easier to keep in touch technically, but whether or not they are responsive is a whole other story.
Well, connecting gets harder in the sense that we’re no longer all forced together into the same space, but phones have added a severe second layer to that. It disconnects us from those physically around us in order to digitally connect us with people not physically present.
Prior to phones, eye contact was pretty frequent. More small talk between strangers happened. People were far more aware of those around them. That’s just not the case now.
Again, smartphones have brought a lot of good to our lives, but the physical connection to people around us has been paralyzed. It really is sad, and I’m sad that it’s not something I’ll ever experience again: a space that physically connected. I’m sad that younger generations will never experience it their whole lives.
The thing is, we don’t know how viable this is in the long term.
For all we know, every 200 years the Earth is hit by a major EMP sunspot event that will fry our cellpones, cell towers, and satellites.
This isn’t just speculative. In 1859 a major solar storm took down most of the electronic communication of that time. Back then, that meant telegraph communication. The first major telegraph message had been sent only 15 years before, so world-wide communications didn’t suffer too much.
If we had a major storm now, the winners would be those countries and institutions that still retained paper-based communications and information management systems. The losers would be everyone dependent on electronics communications.
That is not true. Paper-based information storage is significantly more unreliable and volatile than electronic storage. Geomagnetic storms of such intensity as the Carrington Event would certainly cause power outages and other inconvenience, sure, but modern integrated circuits based on field-effect transistors would likely be entirely unaffected, and most integrated circuitry is hardened anyway and especially high-density VLSI devices like flagship smartphones that use 5nm manufacturing processes are protected against so many special cases and quantum phenomena like electromigration that a geomagnetic storm would appear to be a very minor problem. Solid-state storage drives are also very reliable in extreme scenarios and most would likely retain their data in the case of a major solar flare. And much data is still saved on optical storage media like DVD, and these are absolutely immune to geomagnetic storms and EMPs. The only thing we really should worry about is our power grid, but we won’t lose any significant quantity of data and definitely not such that is integral to the functioning of our technology and society. And Faraday’s cage still exists, so a lot of militaries and institutions will probably have made arrangements that make sure their devices are not compromised.
You are correct that there are many devices and plenty of examples of infrastructure that is hardened against such things- but it’s just plain wrong to assume it wont be a major problem- Multiple studies have found the damage caused by a solar storm equivalent to the 1859 example would cause trillions of dollars of damage and a lot infrastructure would be down across most of the 1st world for at least months if not years.
It would probably also trigger a lot of violent outbursts from populations around the world, probably a lot of mostly peaceful and fiery looting, riots etc.
Source on the first world countries being down for years?
https://youtu.be/oHHSSJDJ4oo?t=343 This is the video I was remembering, it has sources in the description if you want further reading- and it says 4-10 years, which is insane to think about.
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Agreed, a black start of the entire grid is a huge ordeal. In the situation everyone is without power, people will have to work together to keep society going enough to let those people who will be doing that black start do the work. (Transportation, food, housing, etc.) But as we’ve seen with the relatively simple coronavirus actions, people are selfish and many will use the situation to try and get a leg up on everyone else.
Sadly, in this modern era the fabric of society & the ties that bind us all are weaker than they’ve ever been imo-
Perhaps if we were all a bit more civil and selfless and more self sufficient I could see communities coming together to survive a situation like this relatively unscathed, however in this age where everyone’s at everyone else’s throats over tweets from years ago and trying to ruin people’s lives over benign opinions via getting them fired, swatted or what have you- my faith in such a scenario that lacks massive upheaval and violent looting, murder and worse… is near 0.
I didn’t understand a lot of those terms so you’re probably smart enough for me to trust you, thanks for helping assuage my fears
Make sure you put your phones into the microwave when a solar storm comes
What setting?
The strongest one
Melt > Butter > 1 Stick
I mean, if all the infrastructure is fried, your phone surviving wont do much besides allow you to have a disconnected phone until the battery dies.
I’m the beginning yes, but when everything does start going back online, you’ll be able to while everyone else is overpaying for the limited supply. Billions will be wanting smart devices just to call other people and the supply will be extremely limited for a while.
The ideal good to have in their are a phone or two, loaded up external hard drives, solar charging batteries, and maybe a laptop. Enough to get by until everything is relatively more normal.
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Yeah… man, that would be a clusterfuck. Or I should say, WILL be, when it inevitably happens.
Probably the least of my worries for when that happens but uhh… anyone know if optical media are capable of surviving a Carrington event? Sure as shit hard drives won’t. I’d like to keep some data…
Maybe I’m misremembering it but I don’t think personal devices would be much affected. Apart from potentially damaging satellites, AFAIK the biggest danger is induction of big currents in powerlines and telecommunications lines and it could fry the components connected directly to them if they’re not sufficiently protected from power surges (substations, network elements etc.). Any damage to data storage devices, computer chips and such would only be secondary, if the surge propagates all the way to the computer or server, which I find quite unlikely on a larger scale with all the surge protections we have. But someone correct me if I’m wrong.
I sure hope so. Perhaps my home data centre is safe.
Although I guess it depends on the intensity of the storm doesn’t it?
I’ve heard some major techies will keep a spare unplugged microwave in their room with spare hdds inside incase a solar store comes. The same Faraday cage that stops waves from harming us should hopefully keep them safe if/when a Carrington event happens again.
Damn, I don’t have a spare microwave lying around…
Yeah. Restaurant I was in about a month ago. You need a phone to order, to pay, and to see the menu.
You can almost imagine the conversation
Boss: so we will move everything to app based
Underling: but what about people without cellphones?
Boss: people without cellphones have no money.
Fuck society. Grr, I don’t like how much we’re expected to have phones. It’s not just the electronic though, but the number attached to it as well.
I’m phoneless as a stand against canadian telecom companies and wow I’m basically a second-class citizen. Almost any service becomes inaccessible.
Heavens forbid I care about my own privacy and get a vpn. Now I’m locked out of even MORE services that want to ID check me with my phone.
Just let me have what I seek 😭 there’s too many steps to these services now
auuuugh rant done ty.
It’s very interesting to see how primitive services such as government’s services requires citizens to have a phone. So eventually you can literally not be a citizen without a phone.
The life I experience is an invisible struggle, but it’s partially self-induced. I wonder how others are fairing, especially those who didn’t have the privilege of choice.
Then again, my city’s vocal majority want to wipe the board clean of homeless so maybe my empathy is misplaced.
You literally have what you seek. You want to be an island, and you are one.
No they don’t; they just said they’re taking a stand against the phone company.
The reasoning behind it is concern for their privacy though.
That’s incorrect, my appologies for the confusion.
My privacy concerns are a seperate issue that causes additional turmoil. Most services throw a ton of 2fa at you once they see the vpn, typically involving some means of identifying you with a phone number. Discord is the most common place I run into. That’s a lot of stuff I’m missing out on just with one service.
I’m standing against telecoms because they provide terrible service for rediculous prices. I’m especially aware of what they can offer as I used to work in Bell’s loyalty department (lasted a month LOL). By paying for shitty phone services, I’m accepting it. I’d rather search for an alternative.
I mean, who wouldn’t want internet access anywhere they want in their city?
I can understand your need for privacy, even though I don’t go to similar lengths myself. That being said, I always prefer the way forward instead of shutting new technology out. I don’t have the answer to how that would translate to your situation specifically, but a privacy minded android or linux os with a prepaid sim card could go a long way.
It shouldn’t be a need.
I do agree. I’m behind in terms of privacy protection, but most of my energy is on escaping some life struggles at the moment. I’m fairly aware of where to find what I seek, but it’ll take a lot to collect all that information and implement it. Story of our lives though, eh? ;P
I’ve looked into prepaids, but it goes against my desire to support our telecoms. I looked into VOIPs as well, but most services block them because again, they need to identify YOU and I refuse to accept it, QoL be damned.
I’m currently thinking about shadowing off someone else’s identity. Solves a lot of my problems, but I’d like to figure alternatives and potential reprecussions before I go bumming off my friends.
If I can’t get a custom rom and use xprivacy and adblocking on my personal phone, I will instead carry a fucking ham radio for emergencies. I’m sick and tired of tech corporations but also society in general walking all over people, profiting from it and generally running things further into the ground at every chance they get.
Ahahaha ham radio future~ just you wait until everyone switches and it becomes profitable to have AI listening in. The oh-so-likely future. ;p
Modern life is difficult without internet access, but yet you can live without internet, the question is, how long?
Depends on what standard of living you desire and where you are- If you want to live as a hobo then as long as you survive your basic biological needs you could go indefinitely without internet, the same is true of any outsdoorsman who lives in a remote area where they can survive just based on their ability to hunt and collect water.
Maybe you should try to live in a third world country, not necessarily a hobo but a regular life without commidities you have been granted for you priviliges.
Its like living in hard difficulty
It’s not. I’m from a third world country and almost everybody no matter what has at least a smartphone, a motorcycle, a TV and booze.
People from developed nations tend to not have the slightest understanding of what third world countries look like and generally just think of those pictures of subsaharan African children starving near huts in the savannah.
The reality of it is that living in a third world country doesn’t immediately mean you have no access to commodities or modern items. It’s not living in the past. Usually it means you have to work your ass harder than anybody in a first world country to afford some imported or more globalised items. Your labour rights are poorer, your working hours longer and your career growth more limited, but I’m sick of all the American (and to some extent European) exceptionalism where people think citizens of third world countries can’t even have a smartphone.
You can even enjoy relative luxury without being part of corrupt government circles or even rich. Like… most people can at least afford to go to vacation to national parks or popular destinations. And sure, they go by bus, or they have to save longer for it, but this notion that third world citizens are necessarily in a constant state of misery and extreme poverty is actually quite harmful. It prevents professionals and highly qualified workers from being taken seriously or from getting rid of negative stigma surrounding their country of origin.
Which country are you from? If you don’t mind me asking.
I’m in USA bouncing between major west coast cities. I was thinking of Seattle when I wrote that.
of course? I don’t see how attacking me correlates to the original question though.
I actually grew up homeless for quite a few years, and there were plenty of hungry nights & if it wasn’t due to living in a 1st world nation I probably wouldn’t be here now. It’s not exactly the same but at least I know a similar struggle.
It was a sarcastic realistic suggestion to prove my point, im not attacking you, calm down your tits
Ive never been a homeless but being a homeless in a first world country is good
My relative lived in the bush with their cats for like 40 years without internet. I’m not sure they had ever used it before or even knew how to, so I think that made it easier. Just had a land line and antenna TV.
Moved back and had a hard time figuring out why the doctors wanted to contact by email. Figured out how to use GPS via Android Auto pretty quickly. Internet shopping wasn’t mastered.
But every companies and governments are dependant of Internet now
Only on first world, not the third
I remember I lost internet for months, only thing keeping me sane was a youtube downloading wbsite thats dead now, a trackphone and shit tier free wifi. If your on android, there are tools to make a (CLI) program called yt-dlp easy to use on mobile, as it converts telling the computer what to do via text into buttons and toggleswitches
I need a smartphone app to:
Access mail from my government
Log into any website as ‘me’ (taxes, car related stuff, my net bank, etc)
Buy a damn bus ticket
In reality i dont need my phone to be smart. But society wants me to
But i do everything i can to avoid getting apps from various companies. Membership bonuses etc. I hate it so much.
I do enjoy my smartphone in the car though, for google maps, music and taking a call. But… i would much rather, if that was just built into the cars infotainmentsystem.
The membership apps are the worst. Every time i shop for clothes they ask me if i already have their app. I tell them no. they tell me if i want to get it. I tell them thanks but it’s OK i don’t want it. Then they tell me if i sign up i get 2% discount. I tell them thanks but it’s really OK. And then they look at me as if i’m the only person ever that didn’t want to install their spyware in exchange for a tiny discount. Do people really just get those apps?
People definitely get them for fast food. Not me. I sure as hell don’t want Burger King siphoning my data.
I’m a “If I don’t do it when I think about it, it’s not getting done” kind of person, so I like being able to do EVERYTHING on my phone, because it’s always in reach when I need to accomplish something.
That being said, I HATE downloading apps and creating accounts to do simple one-off tasks.
Last week we went out to dinner for our anniversary, and there was a QR code to pay the bill. I think, “Cool, I don’t have to wait for the server to take it.” So, I scam the code. It leads me to an app download. Ugh. Fine. I’ll wait for this to download. Once I open it, it prompts me to create an account.
I immediately uninstall, and wait for the server to take, run and return my credit card.
