Why the fuck you lying? Stop fucking lying. Why you always lying?
This is not “false” this is just “pants on fire lying”
This person should not have the freedom to speak publicly anymore
Screw freedom of expression as we currently have it. Freedom of expression should become a right with responsibility. if you can’t be responsible, you can’t have the right. You either speak the truth or don’t get to speak to groups, period
I’m SO done with literally everyone and everything lying with zero repercussions. Companies lie, all fine. Politicians lie like there is no tomorrow and that’s fiiiiine, even Obama lied like 25% and that’s fiiiiine, trump literally lies 99% of the time and it’s all fine! Nothing happens, so we just lie more and more and you can’t trust anything or anyone anymore
Freedom of expression on the internet was a big mistake
Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid.
The original post has 58k views, the correct information has 2k. That is the level of efficiency that site has in disseminating correct information.
The timestamps imply the correct information is less than an hour old in that screenshot
Aptly put lmaooo, gonna quote this in the future at some point xD
Is that Threads? Threads is a cesspool of incessant lies, rage- and engagement bait.
I like the idea that someone mid fighting the fires, put down thier hose to reposnd to the tweet
The office of the state fire marshal definitely did not put down a fire hose. Or get up from their desk. (or did I get wooshed?)
No it’s just a funny situation to imagine.
2100 retweets on the lie.
33 on the truth.This is a great example of the importance of teaching people critical thinking skills.
If you stop to analyze what was written in this sensationalized post rather than acting on your emotions, the first question that should come into mind is “who stopped them?”. There are no checkpoints between Oregon and California where cars are turned away from crossing state lines due to emissions. In fact, that would probably violate federal free travel laws which would supercede any stupid law like that.
Next, consider the source. Is this person trustworthy? Did they provide ample citations to reputable journalistic outlets that verified the factuality of the claims? If not, they may be trying to deceive you with falsehoods or have an ulterior motive for misrepresenting the facts. At best they are repeating claims that they’ve heard from others and anything they report on should be taken with a grain of salt.
This post doesn’t hold up to the slightest amount of scrutiny, but people get fooled every day by crap like this. My advice is that if you hear something that sounds outrageous or too good to be true, stop and think carefully about it for a few minutes, or maybe just wait for another source to report it. Saves you a lot of stress and protects you from endlessly doomscrolling.
A friend of mine posted something on Facebook (reposted from a local list in Arizona) claiming that two people were knocking on doors and beating up people, and one woman was in the hospital as a result. Pictures of the perpetrators and everything.
Something felt off, so I did a quick search on their names. And I found an article from some city in Texas where the same rumor had been circulating about that area. The article clarified that the two people had committed some crimes several years ago and were caught, tried, and convicted already.
So someone took one of these, changed the name of the area, and posted it to the local list. Why do people do this? A form of stochastic terrorism maybe?
Edit - I can’t find the post (I think my friend deleted it), but I did still have a tab open with the article about it.
I have noticed this as well. Back during the early facebook years, a “news” outlet would just generate content by posting stories like “Greenville ranked as the city with highest crime rate” every week or so.
Everybody on my facebook feed would go crazy saying things like “I always knew that town was dangerous, but to hear it outranks New York? TERRIFYING!”
Only issue is that this outlet would have 50 different URLs for the article, all giving a city in a different state (always an immigrant heavy suburb) and those articles would be appear around facebook and nobody would know the wiser.
It costs almost nothing for them to rewrite the world and your perspective about it. The granularity they are now capable of should give us pause.
Interesting. This one didn’t include a link to an article, just fear mongering.
The person that posted it deleted it after my comment, I think. I’ll check.
I assume the people in the picture were “melanin enriched”? There you have your answer.
It’s a shame that you can’t know when seeing such posts if the person resharing it has good intentions or not. “Don’t open your door for strangers” is often good advice after all.
The firetrucks were allowed through but Haitian immigrants ate them!
You expect too much from these people, and an increasing share of them aren’t genuine people at all.
The firetrucks were allowed through but Haitian immigrants ate them!
That sounds reasonable and matches what the Big Red Squid told me on TV after last nights meth binge.
Teaching critical thinking skills it not a solution. People are not getting fooled, they want to believe it, it fills an emotional need.
Neo-liberal solutions to societal issues focusing on individuals has been a complete disaster. It is basically victim blaming and doesn’t actually scale in many circumstances.
Eg. High house prices; Victims fault for not working harder and saving more. Neo-liberal solution: Work longer, spend way less. Outcome at scale: Economy crashes due to low spending.
I agree with the rest, but
Teaching critical thinking skills it not a solution. People are not getting fooled, they want to believe it, it fills an emotional need.
Yes. Properly taught critical thinking overrides the emotional thinking. If it didn’t, people wouldn’t anymore then animals.
That’s the thing, people don’t want to. Critical thinking for one it takes more physical energy, which is a impediment. People want to belong as it can be very difficult to thrive being excluded, so there can be an advantage to just go along with the dominate narrative. Hence why we are getting a onslaught of propaganda like this twitter post.
This is going into circular logic territory.
“who stopped them?”. There are no checkpoints between Oregon and California
… actually, there are checkpoints along every major roadway into California that do check incoming vehicles, mostly to find and prevent invasive species from entering the state and affecting the agricultural industry, and more broadly to protect the environmental systems in California. There have, in fact, been legal challenges against these checkpoints for violating travel laws, but the checkpoints have remained. They’ve also been used to seize non-agricultural items like weed, weapons smuggling, etc. so emissions standards checking isn’t completely out of the realm.
Obviously, she’s lying and she doesn’t know any of this either anyway. But there are checkpoints to enter California.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Border_Protection_Stations
I go through one all the time there has not been anyone there stopping people for years now
I can’t speak for all of them, but the I5 border station near the Oregon border hasn’t even been manned in several years. This gal is so full of shit.
The station on Highway 97 has someone there, they’ve always just waved me through and said “have a nice day” i think they stop and inspect the agricultural trucks that go through there, tho.
Yeah, you’re right, but you also conveniently cut out the second half of my sentence where I specifically mentioned being turned away for emissions. Context matters.
As long as a car is registered and insured they have the right to drive in any state
Additionally, Washington, Oregon, California, and BC (this one has to have some sort of international limitations) have a climate pact with eachother to adopt emission and climate policies set by the other states/province.
Out of all the states that CA would have emissions issues with, OR would not be one of them.
But you see I want it to be true therefore it is
I mean I wouldn’t ever live in California, but not because of what these talking maga skin piles keep saying. I just revise to live in a disaster-prone region. I mean California has a fire season. Fuuuuuck that. Same goes for hurricane territory.
Well, let us know when you find somewhere that doesn’t have fire season, earthquakes, tornado season, hurricane season, blizzards, or avalanches.
The midwest.
we’re not in Kansas anymore
Join us in the mid-Atlantic!
Tsunami season
Got me there
Arizona mostly. Fires are pretty rare in the valley.
What is the average daily temp in the summer?
At 2am it’ll get down to 101-100…worst thing I ever did in Phoenix was get in a drunken argument mid afternoon and storm out of the house…made it half a block and was dead from the heat…quickest getting over an argument I’ve ever had.
Almost as cool as other states with climate change XD
Mmm. Forgot about droughts and pavement hot enough to cook eggs on.
Droughts are… US wide. Something about water tables and setting them during an unnaturally wet period.
And excuse me, I cook them on my cast iron… That I put on the pavement.
It didn’t used to be anything like this. Hell, when I was younger it would rain in June. Climate change.
It’s not like there’s a state border check for vehicle emissions. You can visit California in a non-California car without an emissions check. Joy’s claim doesn’t make sense even before fact checking.
There is a border check entering CA but they only ask about fruits and vegetables.
Wow it’s true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Border_Protection_Stations
I don’t think any other US state has checkpoints. This is a surprise to me.
Imagine my surprise learning about them by pulling up to one. I don’t think it was even near the CA/OR, but like 50 miles into Cali on the interstate. All of a sudden I see an officer flagging me at a little booth, I figured it was an emergency ahead or maybe I ended up on a toll road? The first thing he says to me was something along the lines of ‘Got any fruit or vegetables in the vehicle?’ And I just respond ‘I’m sorry, what?’ He must get that a lot, he pretty much waved me through as he was explaining.
I brought a prepackaged fruit cup my next trip just to see what would happen but I ended up doing the coastal route and never got stopped going that way.
California grows like 40% of the vegetables for the entire country. So they’re very protective of their agriculture.
Florida has a checkpoint for plants and possible invasive species, definitely not for firetrucks helping people though.
Unlike California, Florida’s agriculture checkpoint only stops commercial vehicles.
Bugs trying to get in to Florida?
Florida has one of the best competitive scenes in the western hemisphere.
Sounds like it’s basically the same as CA then.
It’s the only other one. But Florida only has commercial vehicles pull in
And that’s rarely enforced, at least around here.
There are. Especially for commercial vehicles:
A lot of states have checkpoints for vehicles towing boats. Need to check for invasive water creatures.
Kentucky has them sometimes for horse papers
I choose to hold two images of this in my head and they’re both equally real, reality be damned.
They’re looking for horse rolling papers and they’re going to the trailer and asking each horse to show their papers as the driver is told to stand back and let them work.
They’ve been a thing as long as I can remember
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It’s meant to sow discord, not be fact checked or taken seriously by critically-minded people. It’s meant to rile up the MAGA’s.
It makes sense to people who have never left their hometown, like most of her audience.
Welcome to modern society where facts don’t matter and all feelings are made up.
Made up feelings are facts now
But dumbasses will eat that shit up
how do we even come back from this
The French had a similar issue in the tail end of the 1700’s, perhaps we could draw inspiration from their work.
At the risk of being called an accelerationist, the fact of the matter is that the only way out is through.
I just assume things cannot be controlled, there is no direction, and the majority of the human race will be swimming in lies, disinformation and cat memes fur generations
I’ll have the cat memes thank you
Fur real? I think you’re purrbably right.
I, for one, welcome our fur baby overlords.
The s is hopeful.
A generation maybe.
I plan to move somewhere where this isnt a problem. If Im going to live in a capitalist society Im going to exercise my free market choice to choose somewhere better than the McDonalds being run by geriatric conspiracy theorists
This eventually gets CIA’d. There is no escape but slaying the dragon.
Anyone politicizing the fires from the comfort of a place that isn’t burning to the ground, should immediately shut the fuck up.
They are inside the fire too, look at Mel Gibson’s interview practically WHILE his house was burning.
Personally I would go so far as to say that people politicizing the fires from a place that is burning to the ground should probably also immediately shut up and flee the building.
Well apparently believing in climate change is political over here, and I don’t think it’s wrong to point to this as evidence that we need to make some serious changes.
Too late. It’s already become true, and another example of wokeness for your racist uncle to bang on about.
This is exactly why so many things just feel hopeless to me. The worst people have caught on to, and the parrots don’t even realize, that you can just say literally anything and the occupants of your echo chamber will believe it immediately and then refuse to believe whatever reality actually is if it is presented to them by literally any other “outsider.”
Hell even someone of the “in-group” who is not substantial enough will be outed as an “other” if they dare go against the initial message.
The knock-on effects of this also concern me. Largely, the only effective way I’ve seen to battle disinformation is to retreat to smaller spaces. The intensity and engagement driven content loop on all the major platforms just fuels the fire. Ultimately, to achieve a better admin:user ratio where the admins aren’t idiots. While I wax nostalgic about my former BBS days, it feels like a giant step backwards to that. The quality on content is there and signal:noise ratio is sublime, but the amount of information, level of discourse, and widespread geographic socialization, isn’t.
Since the election, I’ve retreated from most news sources and reddit. I kind of realized that more or less every headline was either a lie, clickbait, or blowing up a story that largely doesn’t matter. I honestly haven’t felt more relaxed in years.
Fucking Californian wokies! They made fire gay!
They don’t call it flaming for nothing!
Twitter is a right-wing propaganda platform now. Why is everyone surprised by this?
Who is surprised? People are upset. The two are not the same reaction.
Ah yes, the notorious CA Border Control keeping visitors out. Make sure you bring your CA visa if you want to enter the state. 🙄
These people are fucking off the charts insane.
You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.
Driving Californians (particularly the wealthy and well-connected Malibu celebrity class) insane with rage and paranoia, then pointing them at the milquetoast liberal stand-ins for Far-Left Radicalism, will do to California what it did to New York, Texas, and Florida.
Just a matter of time before the right-wing propaganda machine crushes the brains of the enfranchised class. I’m already hearing my mother-in-law blame the stupid Los Angelinos for raising her own home insurance rates. And more than a few coworkers are smugly insisting this is what a DEI fire department gets you.
Being a Republican allows you to be a smug.Asshole and call it politics
Its not the Republican-ism that comes first. You have to sell people on the “I’m exceptional” mentality first, then insist they’re being exploited by their inferiors. Malibu celebrities are a target rich environment for this kind of delusional elitism.
Expect a lot more Californians going on Joe Rogan and making up tall tales about how the fire was caused by poors and illegals stealing all the good firefighting water, while the state refused help for some arcane bureaucratic reasons related to The Fairness Doctrine.
Nevermind that there is a legitimate argument that deregulation made the fire as bad as it is.
Because one of the things deregulated in the LA area was the building of homes in high fire risk areas. like the ones currently on fire.
deregulation made the fire as bad as it is
The California water system is a dense web of legal contracts between public and private interests. Bad policy made the fires worse, as the central valley was transformed from an ecological paradise into a dried up scrubland. But the idea that California ever really had regulations to prevent these wildfires is naive.
one of the things deregulated in the LA area was the building of homes in high fire risk areas
Fires are running straight up to the Malibu coastline. High risk areas have been expanding with the repetitive droughts and the large agricultural developments of cash crops. You’ve got buildings going up in flames that were perfectly safe to live in 20 or 30 years ago.
Nothing the California state government had done up to this point was preventing the degradation of the local ecology. They’re just at the end of their rope.
Not of the ecology. Deregulation of building codes.
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I know you’re joking, but let’s not do that.
That’s fair. Not everyone is good at Little League, after all. 😉
True true
