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Blasted out on my dead social media accounts. Except shitter, which I actually deleted lol
I support the cause in general but: Signal is not federated at all. It may seem like a decent alternative to WhatsApp but is it really? It still falls under the same US jurisdiction. Let’s say the US gov starts agressively prosecuting dissidents and certain minorities (they already do): can and should we still use signal in this case? I don’t think so. Sadly i can’t name a much better alternative. Maybe matrix. But it has other issues.
How is signal considered part of the fediverse?
instead of switching ive mostly just been ditching entirely. I need less time interacting with internet people.
literally the only thing on this list im still using is facebook messenger, for my work colleagues. and youtube. everything else ive migrated (reddit-lemmy), or abandoned and torched
Are any of these actually good?
I mean, aside from Lemmy. I tried Mastadon and no one was actually on it, seems like everyone is jumping to Bluesky.
Fediverse is awesome!!
I was already on Mastodon by just having a Vivaldi (the chromium browser) account, and it’s just lovely I’ve spent most of the day setting up lemmy, even though I joined feddit.dk 2 years ago, it’s only just now I’m taking it seriously.
And, while not related to the fediverse per se, I switched to linux a year ago.
The only service that’s hard to drop/switch away from is Youtube imo.I keep seeing this type stuff but neither peertube or friendica are genuine replacements at this point, mastodon is weaksauce compared to akkoma or a misskey fork, and loops is alpha software. also yes signal is centralized but it just works and has contact discovery so it owns matrix and xmpp when compared to whatsapp. basically none of this stuff is truly ready
Loop.video is “currently not accepting new members”.
Mastodon ❌
Bluesky ✅
Friendica seems like a new thing? No apps for that yet either
FB Marketplace --> Flohmarkt is missing!
I like this. I hope it starts conversations. Does anyone know if there are good alternatives to Discord?
guilded could be consider one but really matrix and revolt are the privacy ones
yo, fuck discord, this is by far the most important one to emulate for me.
Zulip or Revolt
Mumble + Element (Matrix)
Revolt is the way.
Matrix. Seems to be the hottest thing for group chats. Also what a lot of open source projects that used IRC before are switching to (or, if not switching, are providing a bridge for).
Signal is centralized, loops is closed source and not accepting new users.
Loops will be open sourced later they say.
Is Loops open source? It will be! We plan on open sourcing the platform after it reaches a stable and easy to maintain state.
That really is not a satisfying answer. It is incredibly nebulous and even if it did have a nice definition I guarantee most software developers will tell you a lot of software rarely reaches that state.
I can see why they might want to avoid 1000 GitHub issues bike shedding things but they could open source the code and just not have open contribution
Sometimes you’re ashamed of the ugly hacks you cobbled together to reach MVP, and you want to fix the stuff you know you need to fix first before being thrown to the wolves. I can respect that, for a limited time.
or they can also disable submitting issues for now
That means very little to me. Actions speak louder than words, and it would probably help the development of loops if it was actually open source.
For a lot of FLOSS projects, it’s common to keep the initial team small, so a product can be delivered fast, and gets opened up later.
It’s to solve the “too many cooks” and prevent bikeshedding.
A lot of corpo espionage is there solely to tank potential competitors, which include FLOSS projects.
Made by the same dev as Pixelfed, which did a similar thing.
Which I think dansup should deserve our trust on this for quite a long time for doing. It isn’t empty promises if they already made Pixelfed and opensourced it.
Like… I suppose it could be a grift, anything could but I see no reason to question their goals or motives.
Loops is anti-libre software confirmed.
anti? is it against libre software? because it doesn’t seem so
Why does software have a political stance?
It’s missing a libre software licence text file.
So Matrix it is?
I was told that unless you self host, matrix is less secure because it leaks more metadata. Something to consider
Leaks more metadata? What does that mean?
sender, recipient, chatroom, what kind of event you sent (message, emoji, reaction, vote), if you responded to a message, room privilege changes, etc
but it’s a question how big of a problem is that. they want to tackle it in the future, but that’s far away for now I think
Damm, didn’t know that, good to know
it’s not even true information, the new tech stack is zero trust
What does this mean?
Zero trust means there’s no trust assumed on the protocol - I.e. it distrusts all actors and the protocol takes steps to work in that trustless environment. I don’t know how that applies specifically to matrix.
Switching from WhatsApp to any other messaging service isn’t a realistic option for quite many places. I’d be more than willing to switch but of all the people in my contacts (including my entire customer base) there’s like 3 people using Signal but every single one of them has WhatsApp. Even the 60+ year olds.
I got my family out after some high profile data breaches on WhatsApp. We feel a lot safer sharing personal info over Signal and the switchover was painless. Even the video calls are great on signal.
There’s inertia, for sure, but once you highlight that some evil corp isn’t the one handling grandma’s inheritance data, it makes for a compelling case.
We all still have WhatsApp because we need to talk to the others. But our family chat only exists on Signal now.
I would say it’s a step by step work. I have moved my family from Whatsapp to Signal years ago and then to Matrix. I forced them in some way but I just said “sorry if you want to keep contact we will have to find another app, I don’t accept Whatsapp ToS.” It took some time but my close family and friends are there and I regularly get someone to join, friend or family. It’s still close circle but it’s also a good thing. Same went with work. Colleagues wanted to do a whatsapp group for a project and I basically said “No, best I can do is Signal.” and they went with it.
I stopped with Signal. Getting coworkers/family to move to signal was enough work, but I also trust the signal protocol enough to use a centralized service
Yeah I don’t want to be that guy telling others to install an app to stay in contact with me. That would be extremely hypocritical on my part as I’m the one those people who refuses to install any apps people tells me to and it wouldn’t solve the issue anyway as then I’d still be using WhatsApp as well but now I just have one more additional app to communicate with certain people.
Nowdays doesn’t seem to matter where ever you go there’s always an app you need to install to do XY and Z. I don’t even have a Lemmy app as I only use it via browser. Same applies to YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Pixelfed, Reddit and so on.
in these groups theres often someone that just cannot install a new app because their phones storage is full and they can’t afford a better phone (or just don’t want to spend money on it). i wouldn’t insist with these people and just accept using whatsapp
You are wrong on that: It would be a start to solving the issue! Every little step forward counts.
As for 1000 apps replacing website, I could not agree more… In addition you get much better control on a website like adblocks and javascript control.
Same (Brazil), Whatsapp is pretty much a requirement and I hate that I’m forced to give Meta my information by using their shitty app.
I’ll link my previous comment and add that it’s easier for Brazil.
Lembra de quando prenderam uns políticos pelos bate-papos do Telegram? É só lembrar a tua família que o WhatsApp tem a mesma fraqueza. Pergunta se eles confiam no Zuckerberg outra mandar os dados bancários que toda família manda de vez em quando. Documentos escaneados, dados pessoais…
Não consegui convencer os meus amigos mas confesso que poderia ter sido um pouco mais insistente. Quando o pessoal manda screenshot de transação bancária pelo wpp pra acertar conta de bar, dá pra dar uma instigada de leve. “A AI do Zuckerberg adorou ver os teus dados.” E deixa assim, vez por outra um comentário curto pra elevar a consciência de privacidade das pessoas. Uma hora vem. Ou não, mas tás fazendo tua parte.
This does not help.
Help with what?
And yet it gets repeated (and upvoted) in every thread.
Acts like a psyop to stop us finding solutions. Now, I will respond and you should too.
That’s Lemmy in a nutshell. Guillotine and Luigi memes are constantly repeated because they know that no one’s actually going to act on that stuff, but any time anyone suggests a practical means to weaken the oligopoly people come out of the woodwork to shut it down.
You think? I consider these memes more like a reminder of our global to-do list. It doesn’t mean we can’t selfhost a matrix server at the same time.
Those memes remind me I don’t actually hate myself I hate the system I am forced to interface with.
Without them I would not take more action, I would just hate myself more and be even sadder.
My trouble as well, I’d love to switch from Whatsapp, but literally every person I talk to and most people in my city/estate/country uses It.
There’s a “vendor lock” term, maybe this would be a “social lock”?
It has to start with someone. I made my entire family switch to signal by boycotting WhatsApp. I just said, of you want to contact me your can either SMS, email or install signal. It was surprisingly easy. For non family members, I tell people to switch all the time. Most of my contacts now use signal. It was worth the trouble.
Don’t get me wrong, I tried the switch, multiple times.
Where I live the vast majority uses pre-paid plans that give internet bandwidth, some calls but hardly no SMS, so that’s not an alternative, unless in an emergency or you want to contact someone unilaterally.
If I want someone to use it, they will have to convince their other circles to do the same, which statically decreases the chances of switching, and you get things like: “but we’re already talking fine on Whats (whatsapp)”, “it’s too much trouble to have another app just for you”, “I don’t care who’s behind the app, its works fine”.
To add salt to injury, many places (like stores, restaurants, salons, etc), have WhatsApp as the main communication method, some companies will even have the option to update you on things like delivery or banking solutions via WhatsApp.
It’s something so ingrained in our culture at this point that is super hard to change.
I’m not looking for solutions here, just stating a sad state of affairs, I like privacy but it’s not always an option living in society.
Yeah same for me. I guess some (quite many actually) people are aware Whutsapp&Co is evil and are just waiting for an opportunity to make the move.
There is always SMS for these.
Hey, wouldn’t it be great if Signal still supported SMS?
Personally I see no benefit in having them in the same application.
There benefit would be exactly what this top comment is about. For all those people in your contacts who don’t use signal, you could still use signal to message them, it would just be an SMS message. It would therefore also become more enticing for people to switch from their stock SMS app to signal, because it would make no difference in terms of who you can send SMS messages to. It would allow for the signal user base to grow, solving the issue of “no one uses signal”
At least WhatsApp is encrypted and let you have propre group chat
WhatsApp’s a scam, anti-libre software.
Yes but it is still better than SMS.
Saying it’s secure feeds their scam. At least we don’t pay for it like SMS.
I did not say it was secure, I actually spend a lot of time explaining to people that it is secure and they should switch to Signal. However, I will not tell them to go back to SMS for the reason aforementioned.
Saying it’s
secureencrypted feeds their scam. At least we don’t pay for it like SMS.
You still pay for SMS? Wtf, what country do you live in? Most postpaid mobile plans these days only charge for data usage. In which case, your still paying to use WhatsApp.
Are you from the global south? Because it’s still a common thing for SMS to be chargeable in many countries. And no one should be using SMS anyway. It’s horribly insecure. At least use RCS.
postpaid
