• zante@slrpnk.net
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    3 days ago

    Well we’re risk at of going off track here, because we are talking about trade and economics being possible, with people who have different politics. Which it was.

    Europe has long pursued integration with Russia through trade. The Americans instead push for NATO expansion.

    America has never liked the idea of the EU because it loosen their control.

    The Ukraine war is perfect for them, because they are making bank off of weapons and energy sales, have nothing at risk and sees Europe and Russia weakened.

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      3 days ago

      It is also that Russia is threatening to nuke the EU and expand into EU territory namely the Baltics. You do not need the US to tell the EU, that that is a problem, especially when that country started a massive war. Obviously the UK prefers the EU over Russia for a lot of reasons.

      Btw a similar thing is happening with the US right now. Trump trying to force Denmark to give him Greenland is seen in a very similar light to Russian actions in the Baltics and Ukraine.

      Oh and small countries have agency as well. There is a reason Georgia has EU membership as a goal in its constitution due a invasions and those were not by the US. A lot of eastern European countries have similar feelings about Russia for good reasons. Those countries also lobby the UK.

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        3 days ago

        Can we look at where Russia threatened to nuke Europe ? I looked into it once, and I don’t think it was ever said . Certainly, it was widely reported, but I seem to remember the actually words were ‘we wouldn t hesitate to use nukes, if threatened’.