This is a really shitty attempt at a gotcha question, just so you know. I have depression, any neurologist with an MRI of my brain can tell you that, because there’s a softball sized cyst and the structural placement of it makes depression highly likely, it’s too big to be removed all the empty space would lead to shifting, brain bleeds, embolism, seizures, and strokes which would kill me really quickly. So shunt and valve and medication is my only treatment option. Anti depressants aren’t just for people who are having a bad week and don’t know how to cope, or people behind on their self care, or people who are facing a life challenge and just need a little pick me up. Anti depressants are being taken largely by people who go to their doctor and say ‘‘I’m so depressed I no longer enjoy the things I used to love doing, I’m struggling to remember what happy feels like, and I can’t stop contemplating the end of my life’’ it’s for people with clear diagnosable depression. Please stop acting like you have any room to jump up people’s ass about the maintenance meds they’ve been taking for years that get them results when nothing else did. Do you think a jog a day is the solution? It’s not at all. If that was the solution, this wouldn’t ever be a medical problem in the first place, easy solutions don’t require medical intervention. If you really think the average person on antidepressants didn’t spend YEARS trying to solve it without any medical aid, your delusional.
There is a fundamental misunderstanding that most folks have when it comes to anti-depressants. A lot of people think that you take prozac and it makes you feel “happy” or at least “better”. But the reality of it for me is, I take prozac, and stops my emotions from spiralling out of control.
My neurology is like an elderly person on an icy day, it has a tendency to slip and fall over. Anti-depressants are just a walker for my brain, gives me a good chance to not fall over and break a hip.
Yeah, my experience is similar - I take zoloft and it doesn’t make me feel good or happy all the time but it does make my otherwise crippling anxiety manageable by significantly lowering my base level of anxiety and decreasing the amount of anxiety “spikes” and “episodes” I get
I’m not on antidepressants (except for anxiety treatment) but people love to act the same about my adhd meds. Never mind that I’m the first to say that in order to have my adhd under control I need to utilize a combination of good rest, regular exercise, large amounts of socialization, good diet, and Adderall which plays a larger individual role than any of the others. But no, people think that because the others are important they must be capable of being sufficient. But I can’t even maintain the others without Adderall. I imagine a lot of depressed people can relate to that. Depression meds sound awful and yet so many swear by theirs, so rather than assuming brainwashing I’m gonna assume they help.
Please stop acting like you have any room to jump up people’s ass about the maintenance meds they’ve been taking for years that get them results when nothing else did.
I’m not. My beef is with the doctors who prescribe antidepressants without proper investigation of the causes of the symptoms.
Do you think a jog a day is the solution?
There will be some cases where this is true. But a jog a day is much more effort than having a pill. Particularly if you are out of shape. A pill is much easier for a doctor to prescribe.
easy solutions don’t require medical intervention.
Unfortunately paying customers want a medical solution. So they get prescribed a pharmaceutical solution.
If you really think the average person on antidepressants didn’t spend YEARS trying to solve it without any medical aid, your delusional.
My beef is with the doctors that prescribe antidepressants as a generic solution to all symptoms. Not the patients.
My beef is with the doctors who prescribe antidepressants without proper investigation of the causes of the symptoms.
I feel like you haven’t gone through the process yourself. I got driven to the point of confessing I would be better off dead before I was considered for anti depressants, it’s not just a “I’m sad today” “ok here are anti depressants”
This is a legitimate conversation, but not the time and place. I have had similar issues with SSRI’s being the only solution presented to me (despite previous experiences + knowledge of my body’s previous reactions to these medication being articulated in my refusal) and this is very much due to having an AFAB body.
However, SSRI’s are an effective medication for many people, and the priority in this conversation needs to be on this deranged attack on medical expertise and established understandings of the science. There very much are serious issues with diagnoses/prescriptions being used as alternatives to acknowledging societal problems and a way to make invisible/medically gaslight the understudied chronic illnesses primarily experienced by women, but there are also people who are chemically depressed and are being served by the chemical treatment model - attacks on this fact are profoundly unscientific and harmful and the fact that they are being made by someone potentially leading the medical “establishment” = DEFCON 1.
your contributions are irrelevant to the topic, and also super shitty to bring up around a lot of people that’re scared for the mental health of their families. “your beef” isn’t worth sniffing, so please take it elsewhere. you should be able to tell from ratios alone that your comments are unwelcome, shameless, and tactless.
as someone that was also given an Rx for antidepressants due to a “fibromyalgia” diagnosis, it’s a working theory that one of the reasons for that disorder is, in fact, neurotransmitter dysregulation (e.g., norepinephrine) so that’s not completely off-base… sorry. it sucks, but it has to be eliminated as a mechanism. is it possible you have undiagnosed hEDS? that was the case with me, and a geneticist was able to sus it out. please google it, because if you’ve been diagnosed with fibro it means you have a vague nebula of symptoms that could be any number of things (e.g., lupus) and requires an extensive differential diagnosis which usually ends up being something else (if you’re anything like me).
“I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall"
Sounds like SSRI’s are voluntary attendance. But actions are more important than words.
Oh yeah definitely. I always knew I had it, I’ve had it my whole life. You try being a suicidal 7-year-old and see how well you like it. I didn’t start getting better until my 30s.
You realize you’re doing the “lazy doctor” routine right now, right?
You already decided on an answer and when confronted with a discrepancy, you decided that your understanding is correct and this specific situation is the outlier.
That’s the exact same thought process you’re complaining about.
You aren’t a doctor. Stop acting like one, and stop assuming you know all doctor’s motives. SSRIs are an important tool and make many peoples lives tolerable. No one’s making you or anyone take anything.
I’m not seeing patients or providing medical advice. Typing on lemmy is nothing like acting like a doctor.
SSRIs are an important tool and make many peoples lives tolerable.
Agreed.
Also prozac and other drugs are prescribed for “stress related” symptoms when doctors can’t find the root cause and when patients demand a pharmaceutical solution.
You’re spouting unsubstantiated bullshit because you think you’re special and that your opinion is worth shit, somehow more than that of medical professionals and scientists.
I’m sick of these fucking conspiracy theorest trolls.
I’m not American so I don’t know what GPs are like in the US, but I don’t know of any anti depressants that are addictive. The addictive ones are the pain killers.
OK, I have no idea about the medical history of whoever is down voting. But it’s clear from the numbers that people are scared of their pills being taken away.
The only time I’ve had a similar reaction was when I suggested coffee should be banned. (It’s bad for the environment, more physically addictive than heroin and makes everyone’s breath smell terribly)
Like I said, you don’t know what you’re talking about: Xanax isn’t an SSRI, it’s a Benzodiazepine, literally a depressant
You prescribe Xanax for anxiety because it relaxes you, you prescribe SSRIs for depression to help with serotonin processing, they are not even the same class of drug
Go ahead and take mine away. See what happens. I dare you.
Were you clearly diagnosed with clinical depression?
Or did your doctor not know what was wrong, said it was stress related and gave you pills to go away?
This is a really shitty attempt at a gotcha question, just so you know. I have depression, any neurologist with an MRI of my brain can tell you that, because there’s a softball sized cyst and the structural placement of it makes depression highly likely, it’s too big to be removed all the empty space would lead to shifting, brain bleeds, embolism, seizures, and strokes which would kill me really quickly. So shunt and valve and medication is my only treatment option. Anti depressants aren’t just for people who are having a bad week and don’t know how to cope, or people behind on their self care, or people who are facing a life challenge and just need a little pick me up. Anti depressants are being taken largely by people who go to their doctor and say ‘‘I’m so depressed I no longer enjoy the things I used to love doing, I’m struggling to remember what happy feels like, and I can’t stop contemplating the end of my life’’ it’s for people with clear diagnosable depression. Please stop acting like you have any room to jump up people’s ass about the maintenance meds they’ve been taking for years that get them results when nothing else did. Do you think a jog a day is the solution? It’s not at all. If that was the solution, this wouldn’t ever be a medical problem in the first place, easy solutions don’t require medical intervention. If you really think the average person on antidepressants didn’t spend YEARS trying to solve it without any medical aid, your delusional.
There is a fundamental misunderstanding that most folks have when it comes to anti-depressants. A lot of people think that you take prozac and it makes you feel “happy” or at least “better”. But the reality of it for me is, I take prozac, and stops my emotions from spiralling out of control.
My neurology is like an elderly person on an icy day, it has a tendency to slip and fall over. Anti-depressants are just a walker for my brain, gives me a good chance to not fall over and break a hip.
This, it doesn’t give me a joygasm, it just stops me from being overly paranoid
Yeah, my experience is similar - I take zoloft and it doesn’t make me feel good or happy all the time but it does make my otherwise crippling anxiety manageable by significantly lowering my base level of anxiety and decreasing the amount of anxiety “spikes” and “episodes” I get
You didn’t have to go that hard. You could have said “are you a doctor? ARE YOU MY DOCTORS? no? Then would you kindly stfu?”
Really they should have known better then to pick a gotcha out of an unknown situation
I’m not on antidepressants (except for anxiety treatment) but people love to act the same about my adhd meds. Never mind that I’m the first to say that in order to have my adhd under control I need to utilize a combination of good rest, regular exercise, large amounts of socialization, good diet, and Adderall which plays a larger individual role than any of the others. But no, people think that because the others are important they must be capable of being sufficient. But I can’t even maintain the others without Adderall. I imagine a lot of depressed people can relate to that. Depression meds sound awful and yet so many swear by theirs, so rather than assuming brainwashing I’m gonna assume they help.
OK, so you are in the first category
I’m not. My beef is with the doctors who prescribe antidepressants without proper investigation of the causes of the symptoms.
There will be some cases where this is true. But a jog a day is much more effort than having a pill. Particularly if you are out of shape. A pill is much easier for a doctor to prescribe.
Unfortunately paying customers want a medical solution. So they get prescribed a pharmaceutical solution.
My beef is with the doctors that prescribe antidepressants as a generic solution to all symptoms. Not the patients.
I feel like you haven’t gone through the process yourself. I got driven to the point of confessing I would be better off dead before I was considered for anti depressants, it’s not just a “I’m sad today” “ok here are anti depressants”
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I’ve been down the other road. Countless doctors dismissing symptoms as stress rather than fibromyalgia and prescribing antidepressants.
https://www.northwell.edu/katz-institute-for-womens-health/articles/gaslighting-in-womens-health
This is a legitimate conversation, but not the time and place. I have had similar issues with SSRI’s being the only solution presented to me (despite previous experiences + knowledge of my body’s previous reactions to these medication being articulated in my refusal) and this is very much due to having an AFAB body.
However, SSRI’s are an effective medication for many people, and the priority in this conversation needs to be on this deranged attack on medical expertise and established understandings of the science. There very much are serious issues with diagnoses/prescriptions being used as alternatives to acknowledging societal problems and a way to make invisible/medically gaslight the understudied chronic illnesses primarily experienced by women, but there are also people who are chemically depressed and are being served by the chemical treatment model - attacks on this fact are profoundly unscientific and harmful and the fact that they are being made by someone potentially leading the medical “establishment” = DEFCON 1.
I highlighted this group at the top of this thread. My beef is with dismissive doctors, not their chemically imbalanced patients.
your contributions are irrelevant to the topic, and also super shitty to bring up around a lot of people that’re scared for the mental health of their families. “your beef” isn’t worth sniffing, so please take it elsewhere. you should be able to tell from ratios alone that your comments are unwelcome, shameless, and tactless.
as someone that was also given an Rx for antidepressants due to a “fibromyalgia” diagnosis, it’s a working theory that one of the reasons for that disorder is, in fact, neurotransmitter dysregulation (e.g., norepinephrine) so that’s not completely off-base… sorry. it sucks, but it has to be eliminated as a mechanism. is it possible you have undiagnosed hEDS? that was the case with me, and a geneticist was able to sus it out. please google it, because if you’ve been diagnosed with fibro it means you have a vague nebula of symptoms that could be any number of things (e.g., lupus) and requires an extensive differential diagnosis which usually ends up being something else (if you’re anything like me).
It’s that the symptoms constantly change that is so frustrating. Thanks for the tips.
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https://time.com/7208914/symptoms-doctors-dismiss-anxiety/
I’m done discussing this with you.
Dude, writing a single word does not even begin a discussion.
Im more concerned about TV docs prescribing cialis to 50 year olds…
If thats the issue, then ban HIMS and HERS, and other mail order docs from advertising on TV or anywhere else.
Totally happy with this proposal.
Ok, no need to send people on SSRI’s to a labor camp, which is what has been proposed.
Sounds like SSRI’s are voluntary attendance. But actions are more important than words.
???
You think concentration camps tend to be voluntary?
Or do you think people can just start and stop SSRI’s at will?
Either statement is fucking stupid, and could only emanate from someone with an IQ less than their shoe size.
Oh yeah definitely. I always knew I had it, I’ve had it my whole life. You try being a suicidal 7-year-old and see how well you like it. I didn’t start getting better until my 30s.
Big same fellow person. Lookin forward to seeing you in the wellness camps, and looking forward to the hell we’re going to raise.
Same here. Even down to the same age.
You have my sympathy.
But I’m sure many lemmings reading this recognize the second “lazy doctor” scenario.
You realize you’re doing the “lazy doctor” routine right now, right?
You already decided on an answer and when confronted with a discrepancy, you decided that your understanding is correct and this specific situation is the outlier.
That’s the exact same thought process you’re complaining about.
Not really.
I’m diagnosing a problem but my solution is to investigate more, not to sweep unknowns under the antidepressant carpet.
Lmfao, such detective work.
You aren’t a doctor. Stop acting like one, and stop assuming you know all doctor’s motives. SSRIs are an important tool and make many peoples lives tolerable. No one’s making you or anyone take anything.
I’m not seeing patients or providing medical advice. Typing on lemmy is nothing like acting like a doctor.
Agreed.
Also prozac and other drugs are prescribed for “stress related” symptoms when doctors can’t find the root cause and when patients demand a pharmaceutical solution.
You’re spouting unsubstantiated bullshit because you think you’re special and that your opinion is worth shit, somehow more than that of medical professionals and scientists.
I’m sick of these fucking conspiracy theorest trolls.
Kindly shut the fuck up and go away.
Where did you get your medical degree from again?
https://www.northwell.edu/katz-institute-for-womens-health/articles/gaslighting-in-womens-health
The down votes are from people who were diagnosed with “stress” and are now addicted to anti depressants.
The downvotes are from people who think your statements are ignorant lol
The down votes are from the victims of a medical industry that doesn’t allow doctors to say “I don’t know”.
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I’m not American so I don’t know what GPs are like in the US, but I don’t know of any anti depressants that are addictive. The addictive ones are the pain killers.
https://lagunatreatment.com/drug-abuse/prozac/
Hmm. I’ve been on Prozac before and that’s definitely not addictive.
You have no place diagnosing people with no proven experience in the field of psychiatry, or pharmacology.
So stop parroting RFK talking points.
OK, I have no idea about the medical history of whoever is down voting. But it’s clear from the numbers that people are scared of their pills being taken away.
The only time I’ve had a similar reaction was when I suggested coffee should be banned. (It’s bad for the environment, more physically addictive than heroin and makes everyone’s breath smell terribly)
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Again, you have proven that you have no experience in psychology, or pharmacology, so stop with the RFK rhetoric.
You’re not qualified to disagree with science and people with PhDs. Stop embarrassing yourself.
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I have experienced lazy doctors who dismiss everything as stress.
Ask your doctor friends what the phrase “stress related” really means.
You think people are getting depression diagnosis and SSRIs on that?
Just admit you’re completely uninformed and stay out of discussions in which you are so in future, dude
No. I made that distinction at the top of this thread.
You don’t need clinical depression for a lazy doctor to prescribe Xanax.
Like I said, you don’t know what you’re talking about: Xanax isn’t an SSRI, it’s a Benzodiazepine, literally a depressant
You prescribe Xanax for anxiety because it relaxes you, you prescribe SSRIs for depression to help with serotonin processing, they are not even the same class of drug
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Diagnosed. And I medicate with cannabis, to the objection of the Federal government.
And, last I checked, whatever gets prescribed is between me and my doctor.
Amazing, how Reich Wingers, once again, want Big Gubmint regulating our bodies.