Can imagine making 30 k a year and having to pay even 1600 in taxes. This is saying it will increase that much.

  • viking@infosec.pub
    31·
    2 小时前

    making 30 k a year and having to pay even 1600 in taxes

    That’s like 5.3%, could that be real? That would be ridiculously low. I just checked and with that same income I’d be paying 2480 in Germany, or 8.3%, and that’s in taxes alone. After social insurances and health insurance the total deduction would be 6450 or 21.5% total.

    • threeganzi@sh.itjust.works
      41·
      2 小时前

      I can’t say anything about the validity of the infographic but it says “increase up to” so it’s relative not absolute. So without knowing the current taxation it would be hard to say that tax is low, unless you think the increase is too low. Or am I missing something?

      • viking@infosec.pub
        1·
        1 小时前

        The text from the OP below the infographic was my point of reference, not the graphic itself.

        • RunawayFixer@lemmy.world
          5·
          1 小时前

          The actual real poverty line is going to be region dependent. If you grow up in a high income area and end up “only” making 30k a year before taxes, then you’ll be either living with your parents or in your car.

          As to why 1500 dollars extra taxes will break families earning 30000 a year: people and especially families have fixed expenditures needed to survive. After other taxes, rent, food, … there is usually nothing left at the end of the month. Where are these people going to save 1500 dollars? So don’t look at it as 1500 out of 30000, look at it as taking 1500 dollars from someone who has 0 dollars left.

          Edit to add: that 1500 is not total taxes, it’s extra taxes.

    • AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works
      8·
      4 小时前

      I just started doing this for federal, not state, and I’m curious what happens.

      I’ll probably owe a little extra fee at EOY, but I’m not worried about that. They’ll have to ask me for this money.

      And then I’ll probably try and get a payment plan. Just deny and delay as long as I can.

      Because why not?

        • AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          1 小时前

          I don’t care. I struggle to even find accountants willing to do my taxes, I doubt underfunded IRS is going to want to tackle that mess.

          And even if they do, I’m of multiple cultures that I’m damned if I do regardless, so might as well take that extra money and do some good with it while I can.

      • limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        101·
        8 小时前

        The population has been made isolated at the community level. There are very few local groups doing any reaction at all to this.

        And violent reactions which are successful are a group action; it’s very seldom an individual, in any era of history, changed the politics by themselves.

        And as long as there are no impromptu gatherings of significant frequency, there will be very little violence.

        The internet is not a replacement for community driven change which powers all social and political movements, peaceful or not.

        The turning point, if there is one, will be lots of local meetings by the thousands , and not until then. No matter how violent or passive the individuals be

        • Muad'dib@sopuli.xyz
          310·
          8 小时前

          Americans won’t form violent groups because they’re trapped in the mind prison of nonviolence. They think violence is wrong.

          • limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            61·
            7 小时前

            There is still a lot of violent potential in all this population, it just needs to be nurtured by a working grassroots movement. And that is broken. Just like you can drive a car with a working motor, that has a busted axle; you cannot lead violent people to do things if there is no place to hook up or meet in person.

            This applies to the people who oppose you as much as you, and I mean anyone. So, the current situation is sort of a stabilizing force at the moment

          • Rhoeri@lemmy.world
            410·
            6 小时前

            It’s because it IS wrong. Animals resort to violence when they don’t get their way.

      • Rhoeri@lemmy.world
        310·
        6 小时前

        Maybe it’s because we’re not animals. Had half of this country been educated enough to see what was coming- we wouldn’t be in this mess. Violence will only make it worse.

        • ChokingHazard@lemmy.world
          21·
          3 小时前

          Who’s not an animal? Because humans are definitely classified as animals. We’re definitely not plants.

          • Rhoeri@lemmy.world
            13·
            3 小时前

            Animals as in- barbaric knuckle-dragging cavemen than can’t handle negativity and adversity without harming others.

            • ChokingHazard@lemmy.world
              31·
              3 小时前

              You’re virtue signaling and need to do some deep searching and a review of human history. Be better.

              • Rhoeri@lemmy.world
                12·
                2 小时前

                Yeah… being nonviolent absolutely is a virtue. A pretty simple one at that. So I’m hoping the signal is loud and clear. And human history? Really? We used to use the practice of trepanning to release evil spirits from one’s head. Doctors once prescribed cigarettes to patients. History is a bad example to use to justify the present.

                And lastly, you have the nerve to tell me to be better while you try and justify acts of violence?

                Be better indeed- and evolve while you’re at it.

    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.worldOP
      292·
      9 小时前

      Imagine not pursuing all your hobbies and instead opressing minorities and waging war all around the world when you make 100 billion a year. First person to say that is elons interest, and that’s valid, can stand in line behind him at the guillotine.

      • moleverine@lemmy.world
        9·
        6 小时前

        If I had that kind of money, you’d never hear about me again. I’d just stay quiet and fund a whole lot of charities and scholarships.

  • fnrir@lemmy.world
    301·
    11 小时前

    Don’t worry. It’ll trickle down… eventually… The cash might be a bit red though… /j

    • bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net
      81·
      11 小时前

      I feel like these chuds don’t know the difference between trickle and dangle.

      This is dangle down economics, where the less well off are dependent on voluntary charity from the better off.

    • webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
      121·
      14 小时前

      I am unironically working on an idea where negative money is a normal feature of an Economy which is needs first. Production based on the requirement to fill those needs. There would be no tax money required to support a government and the negative balance is simply a transparent measurement of the cost of life.

      It would eliminate the concept of purchasing power. And i know that sounds insane on premises. Hence i am still working on it. May require more then a few pages.

      Anyway don’t direct skepticism to it yet. Just know that your joke has been a real life math Problem in my head for a few days now.

      • unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml
        6·
        13 小时前

        Your idea is kind of sound, but it really depends on how you implement the “negative” money.

        You can just choose not to pay off the public debt. That will, effectively, make you print infinite money, and we all know how much corpos like to use and very much abuse inflation. Your idea’d fall quick.

        An alternative is to charge the provider for the service they’re providing, or someone with deep pockets who could. This seems much sounder of a wax to go to me. For example, if someone is building a hotel with 500 rooms, say they have to build an additional 30 apartments meant to house a 4-member family. Or, say you keep the asinine US health insurance system, but for every procedure they charge, they have to make one for free. Who they give it to is chosen by the government. This is effectively a form of “negative” taxation. Shame it’s basically a revive of the feudal-era “Wheat tax”.

  • Tezzerets_Tea_Time@lemmy.world
    10·
    11 小时前

    I love basically losing a month of my income when we’re already barely getting by. Fuck this fucking shithead administration to hell with a rusty whisk.

  • rational_lib@lemmy.world
    211·
    12 小时前

    Also you gotta factor in inflation caused by the injection of $4.5 trillion of additional rich guy wealth into the economy. So even a lot of people making over $300k are probably going to be losing out after you factor in inflation caused by others getting more.

  • ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com
    665·
    15 小时前

    I mean, I agree with this and think it should be spread widely, but probably should be in politics or politicalmemes.

    Enshittification is, from the sidebar, “The phenomenon of online platforms gradually degrading the quality of their services, often by promoting advertisements and sponsored content, in order to increase profits.”

    • njm1314@lemmy.world
      31·
      9 小时前

      You can never vote in your life and still have to pay taxes. You could be as non-political as you want, you’re still paying taxes. What’s the point of pretending this only affects people who are into politics?

      Also surely that’s not correct on the sidebar right? Only online platforms? That’s that’s not what we’re here for. If that’s what it says someone fucked up. That’s obviously not right.

      • ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com
        21·
        9 小时前

        Well, I mean, I remember when Cory Doctorow first created the word, and it’s always meant to me what the sidebar says. It captured specifically why online platforms start out very consumer-friendly to attract users, until the users and businesses are trapped by network effects, and they become the product being sold.

        Maybe language changes, maybe it now means just “things getting worse” to some people. But I honestly think that’s a tragedy, because if “enshittification” loses its specific meaning, it loses the power to specifically call attention to this phenomenon.

        • njm1314@lemmy.world
          21·
          9 小时前

          He might have invented the word but he didn’t invent the phenomenon. People have been aware of capitalism’s eroding effect on the quality of goods and services for a while now. While he may have specifically been talking about online products and services it’s not like it even originated there. The decline of products due to capitalism’s entropy is well established and preceded the decline of online services. I think it’s rather safe to say it’s taken on a meaning for more than just the internet. Certainly that’s what most people use it for I’ve noticed.

          That’s also in no way a tragedy. Kind of ironic to be bemoaning a word losing its original specific meaning and then using the word tragedy to describe that.

          • ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com
            11·
            9 小时前

            The specific meaning in the sidebar is explicitly about differentiating it from other generic capitalist decay. It’s specific to online platforms, and in that specificity, is narrowly tailored and more relevant to what we experience in the 2020s.

            That’s the beauty of words - you don’t need to reuse the same word for vastly different phenomenon, and by allowing words to have specific meanings, you increase the deftness with which we articulate and discuss the world.

            • njm1314@lemmy.world
              21·
              9 小时前

              Vastly different? How are they vastly different? It’s the exact same phenomenon with the exact same cause.

    • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.worldOP
      2211·
      15 小时前

      Sorry. There just isn’t a platform for stuff like this big enough on lemmy right now. Tried shoe horning it here but it’s literally at the top of r/all and is good content. From my experience politicalmemes would bite my head off. Politics must be an article.