What era in time do these people think R’s are trying to conserve to, after or before civil rights?
People need to stop treating this like team sports. If a party does not represent you then don’t vote for them. It’s really that simple.
The Democrats don’t represent most of the people who vote for them, either. They’re just not nearly as bad as Republicans.
Which is why, while I do vote democrat, I am not a democrat. Their interests are more aligned with mine than the republicans, even though they might as well both be on the god damn moon.
People identifying so strongly with some political party like this is so weird and disgusting, regardless of party.
Yup. We need to move theoverton window back
In Europe, where there’s typically way more choice, the candidate I usually end up voting for isn’t necessarily the greatest. It’s the least bad realistic choice available. Because that’s how democracy works, there aren’t great candidates anyway. Just vaguely better choices.
At least Europe has actual left-wing parties. Here it’s right-wing or full-on nazi.
That’s the next level. First we need to get people to stop voting against themselves.
Vote your interests not your pride.
Tribalism at its finest
He’s not even part of their tribe lol
You’re making way to hard for most people out there.
/s <<just incase
That’s… that’s kinda a damning statement on the democrats as well. But double so in this case
doing this will only push me and other people like me out!
That’s the point. Next, to the camps for you.
“When i vote R, i didn’t think” sums it up nicely.
Its Regression not conservatism. Quit calling it that. There is nothing wrong with a conservative outlook. The maga don’t have a conservative outlook. They have a regressive one.
There is nothing wrong with a conservative outlook.
When you’re living in comfort and you benefit from the status quo and you prize stability over the perceived benefits of change, there’s an argument for a conservative outlook.
But I’ve been living under Conservative governance in my home state of Texas for forty years. The pattern of police enforced racial castes, privatization of public institutions, and ecologically unsustainable consumption has been ongoing for my entire life. This is what conservatives are fighting to defend. Misogyny. Supremacy. Homogeneity. A wild imbalance in economic opportunity. Its too late to try and rebrand this as “bad” conservatism.
Trump’s policies are more extreme than what came before, but the impulses remain the same. It is the composition of American elites that has changed.
The maga don’t have a conservative outlook.
The Red Hats are the children of Goldwater/Reagan and they are shepherding Paleoconservative Libertarianism to its logical end game. They were raised to believe in Galt’s Gulch and Friedman’s free market fetishism. They were raised to believe in Evangelical Christianity and Christian Dominionism. They were raised to believe in winning the Cold War at all costs.
And what they’re doing has plenty of historic parallels - from Nixon’s War on Crime to Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback to McKinley’s Jim Crow. They’re White Nationalists embracing White Nationalism, on the belief that the Peace Dividend they reaped in the 90s was a Heavenly Mandate to Do As Thou Wilt. If you carve off all the QAnon cultism and bigotry, what you’ve got are a bunch of Gen X and Y folks who are fighting to preserve the segregation and the implicit international hegemony they enjoyed when the Iron Curtain fell and America was the uncontested global superpower.
It is conservatism in root and branch. A philosophy flailing in the face of a diminished empire to preserve the icons of prosperity their elders once enjoyed.
They don’t know they’re the same picture
Real question, how can someone be conservative while still supporting progress? Doesn’t the entire ideology hinge on things never changing?
There’s a continuum between nothing ever changes ever, and through away everything and start again from scratch. In practice, actual little-c conservatives are often called invrementalists, because no one is all the way to one end of the spectrum.
The point here is that Conversatism is not actually a conservative ideology. They actually want to change a lot. In fact, the current administration might be the least conservative one we’ve had. They are much more in the “move fast and break things” camp, which is at the opposite end of the spectrum.
I think what happened with conservative movements, is they tend to adopt genuinely conservative positions. But then as the world changes around them they are conservative in updateing their positions, so end up having a collection of regressive positions.
The actual conservatives in America’s current political environment is the conservative wing of the Democratic party.
Conservatism is as broad of a term as liberalism. That said, there is a brand of conservatism that do support progress, but wants to do so in an incrementalist way, which is basically the Democratic Party now that I think about it.
If someone becomes a conservative in 1995, they want to conserve the current state of society, no? Since society has progressed to a different state in those 30 years, does that not mean this person would want to regress back to the 1995 version? Conservativism is just delayed regressivism.
This asshole will be trying to explain to the guards that he voted for Trump and not like these groomers as he’s loaded onto the next bus headed for the camps.
Oh hey I’ve met these guys. They’re not well liked by their fellow gays
They’re not well liked.
I think that probably would’ve sufficed. Even the Republicans shun gay Republicans because they don’t want them to exist. Gay Republicans are like the most baffling thing to me. Like a Jewish Nazi.
There were always Jewish Nazis, or at least enablers. They’re called Kapo, which is one of the most insulting words a Jew can call another. When Bergen-Belsen was liberated, the prisoners turned on the Kapos, and lynched 170 of them on the spot.
One of HitlerPig’s closest and most loyal advisors is one: Kapo Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller.
Perhaps we should extend the meaning to include gay Republicans, or at least gay MAGAs.
Gay people can be gullible and naive too. Nobody said they were perfect.
They voted for HATE.
That HATE applies to all vulnerable groups including them.
Staggering that Maga voters didn’t understand that and are now surprised that they are the targets.
I wonder if any Jews thought Hitler was worth supporting.
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They claimed to accept black people way before you, and they didn’t (look at the sieg heils and white supremacy claims). They only pretended to accept gay people recently, and you thought this was serious?
Time to break out ol’ trusty.
Same sex marriage was such a good example of democracy working. MA stood alone, defiant and proud, for years. Then some of the neighboring states went “You know what? They didn’t get smote with fire and brimstone. Maybe I can do that too.”
Only 10 years after Massachusetts took the first step, it was growing past the recently blue states as voters came around to accepting it, and if it had another 5 years, we would’ve been taking would-be holdouts like Texas.
That process was cut short, but I haven’t seen any polling that suggests we’re not still collectively sliding that direction, so even if the supreme court reverses Obergefell v. Hodges, I don’t think there’s popular support for bans this time.
But they already exist. My state constitution has a prohibition on recognition of gay marriages. These laws won’t stay nullified and have to be reestablished. And much like we see with abortion they’re going to next go for a nationwide ban.
In german we have a word for it: Tja
Which is hard to acuratly translate. Something like:
Well, i told you/them / that was obvious, but nothing you/they can do about it now.
My partner just said “it sounds like it was written by Joe Exotic” and not a truer statement has ever been said.
Just use the word republicans, it pisses everyone off
The One Rule: Be a white, straight man.
If you are part of the One Rule, the conservatives are coming after you and all the civil rights you have.
If you think you’re an exception, see the One Rule.
Hard r voters when they realise where their party wants to go back to
