• Maggoty@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    Stoves are a great example of why the richest among us want to push libertarianism. You see the freedom to buy a gas stove. They see the freedom to make products that are one penny cheaper but kill their users.

    Libertarianism and anarchism in general fail to account for sociopaths who are willing to make others suffer for their own gain.

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      Libertarianism and anarchism in general fail to account for sociopaths who are willing to make others suffer for their own gain.

      Yeah this is the main thing keeping me from adopting anarchism in any meaningful way… I like the concept of mutual aid, but I think anarchism itself relies too heavily on the idea that all people are inherently good. I think that the events of the past decade or so have eliminated all doubt for me that this isn’t the case.

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      Stoves that kill their users should be a violation of the Harm principle. If this isn’t hyperbole then please provide a link to libertarians advocating this — I’m curious to see if/how they’ve carved an exception or otherwise addressed it or weaseled out of it; please link.

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          You missed the part where moakley mentioned business regulations, and the part where I pluralized libertarians and used the word “advocating”.

          Please don’t get me wrong — I do want to see links, as it’s unlikely you chose those words without seeing a prior scenario or two.

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      Anarchism accounts for them just fine. The solution is to kick them out of society.

      It’s just a damn shame that we’ve all proven to be cowards and unwilling to do it.

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        So if we all got together and voted someone out? What if we don’t have time? Should we use representatives?

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        I mean, how is that any qualitatively different than people enforcing stove regulations themselves? They could do it themselves, with enough motivation.