It’s amazing how you manage to keep up such a double standard in the same comment. Have you been practicing doublethink for a while?
On the one hand you say a human can output this while consuming just a hamburger, on the other hand you say it takes practice (conveniently leaving out the ‘years of’ part).
On the one hand you say “the algorithm” consumes ludicrous amounts of energy, but on the other hand keeping a person alive seems to be free in your world-view. (And no, a homeless person getting just enough to survive does not count as an example of consuming few resources. That’s not a life, that’s misery.)
When AI outputs something for a small audience, that’s a huge waste, but if a human draws something for themselves, that’s somehow adorable?
It’s not double speak, it’s nuance(or just entirely different things). The hamburger is the energy required to create a quick comic of this level after gaining the skills, the practice is something else you do, and which you do for personal enjoyment so it comes double.
I get free beer at the bluegrass jam because we play for the bar. My instrument cost over a thousand dollars and I was playing for a little under a year when I first went. If your goal was to save money on beer then yea, bad investment, but my goal was to learn an instrument that I enjoy and play with other people. I don’t consider the cost of the instrument and my time when considering the money I save on the drink. Keeping someone alive does a whole lot more for the world and themselves. It’s not free, but they also do more than create one generic comic before throwing off their mortal coil.
For fuck’s sake, I make very good Heroforge minis and, while appreciate the creativity I put into it, I understand that I’m still behind people making custom 3D models or putting pen to paper. At least I can still be proud of my work, unlike this “AI” garbage.
Your entire argument stems from the idea that this comic is somehow adding value to the world. Not only is it stolen and using all these resources but the “artist” doesn’t even get to have any personal satisfaction because it’s just an algorithm and the other “artist” didn’t actually put any effort into it when they just wrote “write a funny comic” into a text field. Nothing of value was created, not even genuine personal satisfaction in a job well done, but so much was lost.
Also to your last sentence, I pity you for not being able to understand the difference.
I don’t consider the cost of the instrument and my time when considering the money I save on the drink.
But you do consider the cost of training when we’re talking about the AI’s output. That’s the double standard.
Your entire argument stems from the idea that this comic is somehow adding value to the world. […] Nothing of value was created
The comic made me smile. It made my day better because I like the presentation and the style. The post currently has a vote ratio of 266:78. So I’m clearly not the only one enjoying it. I do believe that bringing joy to people adds value.
[T]he “artist” doesn’t even get to have any personal satisfaction because it’s just an algorithm. […] [T]he other “artist” didn’t actually put any effort into it when they just wrote “write a funny comic” into a text field.
I can’t understand why that is a problem. Why are you hurt because a machine cannot get personal satisfaction? Are you mad at an mp3 player because it doesn’t enjoy the music it plays? The point of this comic obviously isn’t to benefit the creator. It’s to enjoy the reader.
If you insist on drawing parallels to a human artist: Do you think everyone enjoys creating every single piece they create? That there are no commissioned words that an artist grudgingly accepts because they have to pay their bills? Sometimes the process of doing something isn’t the end goal, but the product.
If you want to create music for your own benefit, there’s no need to do it in public. You can do it in a garage. You’re going to a bar because pleasing the audience with a good product is at least part of your motivation. Do you think they care if you’ve enjoyed making the music? They only care if they enjoy consuming it.
What? No, I consider the cost of actually doing the work to be insane. If you want to talk training we can get into all kinds of other wonderful ethical, legal, and climate related shit, and I said that the cost of training for something like drawn art is exceedingly low as pencils and paper are cheap and all you need after that is a flat surface and time. I’m glad you enjoyed the comic but the cost to make it was far too great and you need to understand that sometimes that’s a dealbreaker.
Have you ever built anything with your own two hands, or made a piece of art, or played a fun or beautiful piece of music purely for the enjoyment of it? And, separate from that, if you have, you’ve really never wanted to share it with the world? I go to the bar because I enjoy it, I make friends there, and we can all participate in a shared passion. The patrons of the bar also do appreciate that we are real people. We aren’t perfect, we forget the words sometimes, and our instrument balance can be wonky at times but they enjoy the fact that we are up there. Live music is objectively “worse” quality than something made in a studio but we love it because of the distinctly human connection with the performers and the audience. When my friend tears up a sick Irish fiddle solo I turn to who I’m sitting with and we all talk about how skilled she is and how much effort she’s put into honing her craft. When musicians talk about other musicians so much of it is about appreciating how much time and effort they put in to get to where they are.
And yes, sometimes an artist does something that they don’t love. Artists, both the casual amateur and career professional, have accepted that fact as part of the greater process.
I cannot stress how important it is that you go make something, and that you bring people into your life who appreciate the work you put in instead of just judging the end product. There’s a bright, colourful world out there and I’m genuinely worried that you’re letting it pass you by or, worse still, that the people around you are keeping you from it.
It’s amazing how you manage to keep up such a double standard in the same comment. Have you been practicing doublethink for a while?
On the one hand you say a human can output this while consuming just a hamburger, on the other hand you say it takes practice (conveniently leaving out the ‘years of’ part).
On the one hand you say “the algorithm” consumes ludicrous amounts of energy, but on the other hand keeping a person alive seems to be free in your world-view. (And no, a homeless person getting just enough to survive does not count as an example of consuming few resources. That’s not a life, that’s misery.)
When AI outputs something for a small audience, that’s a huge waste, but if a human draws something for themselves, that’s somehow adorable?
It’s not double speak, it’s nuance(or just entirely different things). The hamburger is the energy required to create a quick comic of this level after gaining the skills, the practice is something else you do, and which you do for personal enjoyment so it comes double.
I get free beer at the bluegrass jam because we play for the bar. My instrument cost over a thousand dollars and I was playing for a little under a year when I first went. If your goal was to save money on beer then yea, bad investment, but my goal was to learn an instrument that I enjoy and play with other people. I don’t consider the cost of the instrument and my time when considering the money I save on the drink. Keeping someone alive does a whole lot more for the world and themselves. It’s not free, but they also do more than create one generic comic before throwing off their mortal coil.
For fuck’s sake, I make very good Heroforge minis and, while appreciate the creativity I put into it, I understand that I’m still behind people making custom 3D models or putting pen to paper. At least I can still be proud of my work, unlike this “AI” garbage.
Your entire argument stems from the idea that this comic is somehow adding value to the world. Not only is it stolen and using all these resources but the “artist” doesn’t even get to have any personal satisfaction because it’s just an algorithm and the other “artist” didn’t actually put any effort into it when they just wrote “write a funny comic” into a text field. Nothing of value was created, not even genuine personal satisfaction in a job well done, but so much was lost.
Also to your last sentence, I pity you for not being able to understand the difference.
But you do consider the cost of training when we’re talking about the AI’s output. That’s the double standard.
The comic made me smile. It made my day better because I like the presentation and the style. The post currently has a vote ratio of 266:78. So I’m clearly not the only one enjoying it. I do believe that bringing joy to people adds value.
I can’t understand why that is a problem. Why are you hurt because a machine cannot get personal satisfaction? Are you mad at an mp3 player because it doesn’t enjoy the music it plays? The point of this comic obviously isn’t to benefit the creator. It’s to enjoy the reader.
If you insist on drawing parallels to a human artist: Do you think everyone enjoys creating every single piece they create? That there are no commissioned words that an artist grudgingly accepts because they have to pay their bills? Sometimes the process of doing something isn’t the end goal, but the product.
If you want to create music for your own benefit, there’s no need to do it in public. You can do it in a garage. You’re going to a bar because pleasing the audience with a good product is at least part of your motivation. Do you think they care if you’ve enjoyed making the music? They only care if they enjoy consuming it.
What? No, I consider the cost of actually doing the work to be insane. If you want to talk training we can get into all kinds of other wonderful ethical, legal, and climate related shit, and I said that the cost of training for something like drawn art is exceedingly low as pencils and paper are cheap and all you need after that is a flat surface and time. I’m glad you enjoyed the comic but the cost to make it was far too great and you need to understand that sometimes that’s a dealbreaker.
Have you ever built anything with your own two hands, or made a piece of art, or played a fun or beautiful piece of music purely for the enjoyment of it? And, separate from that, if you have, you’ve really never wanted to share it with the world? I go to the bar because I enjoy it, I make friends there, and we can all participate in a shared passion. The patrons of the bar also do appreciate that we are real people. We aren’t perfect, we forget the words sometimes, and our instrument balance can be wonky at times but they enjoy the fact that we are up there. Live music is objectively “worse” quality than something made in a studio but we love it because of the distinctly human connection with the performers and the audience. When my friend tears up a sick Irish fiddle solo I turn to who I’m sitting with and we all talk about how skilled she is and how much effort she’s put into honing her craft. When musicians talk about other musicians so much of it is about appreciating how much time and effort they put in to get to where they are.
And yes, sometimes an artist does something that they don’t love. Artists, both the casual amateur and career professional, have accepted that fact as part of the greater process.
I cannot stress how important it is that you go make something, and that you bring people into your life who appreciate the work you put in instead of just judging the end product. There’s a bright, colourful world out there and I’m genuinely worried that you’re letting it pass you by or, worse still, that the people around you are keeping you from it.