President Trump said he would talk to Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney about making Canada the 51st state. But the president said he didn’t expect it to get to the point of using military force — though he wouldn’t commit to the same for Greenland.
“Something could happen with Greenland, I’ll be honest,” Trump said in an interview with NBC News’ “Meet the Press” that aired on Sunday. He said that “we need that for national and international security,” but he added “I don’t see it with Canada. I just don’t see it.”
There is no way, in hell, that Trump plans on making Canadians into American citizens. Why would he add the equivalent of another California to the voting population. No Canadian will ever cast a vote in favor of the political party that took their country from them.
What version of statehood is he envisioning here?
The scariest part here is that the Republicans are acting, in every way, like they will never be subject to a legitimate vote again.
They already answered this question. They would use procedural rules to prevent Canadian votes from mattering, the same as they have done in the US in many states.
That’s because they know the fix is in. Here are the receipts
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
Making us citizens and giving us statehood are two different things, and I could see the former, but not the latter. Not that we would join willingly in the first place
The fact that he’s even entertaining this is insane. He needs to be removed from office. Fuck the media for reporting on it like this is just one side of an argument that makes any kind of sense.
Bullies don’t attack people they’re scared of.
Both are a threat with violence and war to independent states, let there be no mistake.
This should not just be condemned politically by every other country, they should boycot the usa
Puerto Rico should be first in that line, followed by DC.
And Guam. And American Samoa. And US virgin islands. And mariana Islands.
Threatening war on an ally, a member of the EU and UN; while helping the enemy.
That’s not what a russian asset would do…
Forcing the UN to split their forces between Ukraine and Greenland…
Totally not what a Russian asset would do.
Well shit… I don’t know how I did not see this angle. He doesn’t even have to deal with the back lash of dead US soldiers for a war nobody in their right mind will support… he just needs to present a legitimate enough threat to divide NATO forces. For fucks sake, I can’t wait for the morning I wake up to find out he is dead. Edited a word
Reminder to the military: you are not required to follow illegal orders. In fact, you are duty-bound to disobey them
I’m quite positive, whether he invades a sovereign nation or not, in some time – be it five years, ten, or more – we’ll have our own version of the Nuremberg trials. Whoever is still alive that perpetrated or participated in this rape of democracy will be held accountable, someday, because all dictatorships fall.
The only question is how many people have to suffer before then.
I hope that you’re right, but it does need to be pointed out that Nazi Germany didn’t have thousands of strategic nukes
It took a whole world war and everyone bagging on Germany/Japan for something like that to happen.
In order for history to repeat, we’d need to have everyone in the world team up against the US.
Not really, just for someone who comes after him to hold him and his cronies accountable. And there will be someone after him, sooner or later, that will. It might not be his immediate successor, or his successor’s successor. But people aren’t going to forget about this.
An invasion of Greenland, or Canada, wouldn’t necessarily be unlawful.
Remember 9/11? Remember George Bush asking Congress to approve his use of military force to hunt down the suspects?
Well that Authorization for the Use of Military Force, unlike any prior which had clearly defined limitations, was simply against “terror” and set to expire “never.”
One member of Congress refused to vote for this, precisely because she understood that Congress was effectively forever giving up its ability to determine when and how the President was allowed to deploy the military. She got death threats. She was right.
All Trump has to do is “find” a terrorist threat in a country, and he’s allowed to send US troops there. Remember how he recently decided that fentanyl is a weapon of mass destruction? Yeah.
You’re thinking if us laws, but we’re talking about international law
The US deliberately does not subject itself to international laws, because it breaks them routinely. It is a rogue state in that regard, and it did not start with Trump or even Bush.
The US already attacked Canada using one of its propaganda tools: Facebook. This is cyberwarfare.
Facebook bombarded Canadian audience with right wing propaganda during the election.
Some have tried to argue that it’s actually facebook trying to get revenge for Canadian courts eliminating the cbc from social media feeds. Does that make any sense? They don’t care if canada doesn’t get news. They want that since they were curating those news feeds with stilted inflammatory content like many right wingers wanted in the first place.
well, might need to fly some drones into american soldiers then
hes using 6600 soldiers for his birthday parade.
US could do that, sure.
But I bet it’d quickly find out just how much of its power, safety and bravado is due to being located in a geographically safe and isolated area with no real hostile armies trying to end them from the other side of the border.
Just how much of that willingness to fight comes from invading foreign underdeveloped territories across the sea, with little chance for the fight to make its way back to US cities and US civilians.
Easy to start fights from the comfort of a distant home, sending only military lives into the far away battlefield.
Something Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East can’t claim, as they have to contend with potentially bad neighbors due to all sorts of reasons.
Go ahead, poke the bear, FAFO.
This is the real story of American ‘exceptionalism’ Its how the US was able to accrue so much wealth during WW2.
Its easy to sit on the sidelines when you’re geographically isolated and not #1 though. The world order has changed (in fact they’re the ones who reshaped it) and now they are desperately trying to force their way back to the 1950s because they had unbelievable leverage and a incrediblely disproportionate share of global wealth following the war.
In fact, I believe that’s in part why we’re seeing a backslide in human decency. A lot of less educated folk see that their parents and grandparents were more prosperous when they were racist, misogynist and transphobic and are acting as if going backwards in that regard will bring back the ‘good times’.
We shall cry ‘Havoc!’, and let slip the geese of war.
Whatever farm animal of war Lana.
If we need Greenland so bad how is it we’ve been just fine leaving them the fuck alone since forever?
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The claim we need it for safety and security is bs considering we have probably more service members there than there are people in Nuuk.
Its all about minerals, which we have no claim to. If Greenland were a territory, the federal government would have full control over the entire thing. US territories are modern day colonies basically
Other real (albeit idiotic) reasons might include Putin feeding Trump the idea of the US having control of the newly ice-free Northwest Passage, or just a sheer megalomaniacal desire to secure his legacy via territorial expansion.
It’ll become more and more important as the north pole melts.
Translation:
Canada would probably put up a fight, and bullies only pick on those too weak to resist.
And Trump genuinely doesn’t understand that would be war with the EU.
Greenland is part of Denmark, so attacking it ought to trigger NATO Article 5. I’m pretty sure NATO ex-US is capable of putting up a fight too, even if the 50k people who live in Greenland themselves could not.
This comment alone put more thought into the strategic situation of Greenland than Trump ever has.
They’re going to use the cia. Trump would use proxy forces to invade under the guise of assisting a rebellion. He can find an opposition political leader, declare him the leader (in this case, declare Greenland to be soverign from Denmark) and then absorb greenland.
I’m not Canadian, but it’s seems obvious to me Canada would definitely put up a fight
I mean, all of the might of United States military had trouble with the Afghani insurgents. Now, just imagine Canadian insurgents who speak the same language, look exactly like you, and know your history better than you do. No city in the continental United States will be safe.
look exactly like you
There are subtle differences if you know what you’re looking for.
Eh, keep quiet, buddy!
I am not your buddy, guy!
Nevermind that there’d be about 70% of the population sympathetic to their situation. That’s a recipe for a lot of citizens sabotaging and/or helping them instead of us.
Sympathetic?
We share the same enemy, and most of the world has for centuries, time to watch the dixiecrats pay.
Everything you said, and the longest un defended border in the world. Imagine if the Taliban could drive to major US cities.
Imagine if 95% of the Taliban lived within 100 miles of that boarder, too lol
And spoke perfect English and were undistinguishable from US citizens on sight. And numbered 40 million.
A lot of Americans would also put up a fight on the side of Canadians
I’d be happy to join a Canadian foreign legion. I view protecting Canada from foreign aggression my patriotic duty as a fellow human being, and neighbor.
Besides, once upon a time I swore an oath to protect my country from threats foreign and domestic, so I am honor bound to fight alongside Canada against the biggest threat the US has ever faced.
I’m not sure how many Americans would join me, or how receptive Canadians would even be to a bunch of tacticool looking non-professionals with guns showing up and CLAIMING to want to help, but I’m positive there will be americans fighting back. Whether it’s on the front lines with guns, or with sabotage in the states, who can say.
I’m in my fifties so I have no illusions about my combat effectiveness, but I took that same oath and I would obey it in the same way for the same reasons. Plus I’m like 75 miles from the border. If the lines moved just a little afterward, I could wind up Canadian anyway.
I suspect sabotage would be the best use of most American allies. Pipelines, power lines, railroads, bridges, America has plenty of those just lying around undefended. And many of them are a stiff breeze away from collapsing on their own anyway.
Blowing up or burning down a few might not have much direct impact on America’s warfighting capabilities, but forcing the American military to divert huge amounts of manpower to protect all of that would. Not to mention increasing the likely-alreayd-extreme discontent at the government.
And, of course, assassinations when you can manage it. (Ooh, this isn’t Reddit, I can say such things without being [ Removed ])
Service guarantees citizenship!
Put up a fight?
Nah, more like encourage our trash to attack, then slide in right behind them.
We’d let the canadians help us give them what they deserve.
The Geneva Convention is gonna get another page
Every word from this Orange Turd is treason. Their needs to be a trial and he needs to never see the light of day again.
He also said he’s not sure if we need to uphold due process in all situations. I’m willing to concede the point in his case if it means we can hang him tomorrow.
Located between the U.S., Russia and Europe, Greenland is viewed as a strategic position for both economic and defense purposes, with melting sea ice opening up new shipping routes through the Arctic.
Shipping from the U.S. to Europe can only be made more inefficient by heading up towards Greenland. The only way it could be more efficient is if the U.S. took over Canada and was trying to directly trade with Russia without Europe being in the way. An attack on Greenland should be seen as an attack on Canada and all of the EU/UK
The only way it could be more efficient is if the U.S. took over Canada and was trying to directly trade with Russia without Europe being in the way.
Exactly.
Every time I hear this, I think “Ok, that’s what his right hand is doing. What he doing with his other hand?”
Read: Isn’t the batshit stuff pretty much always a distraction?
