I’m helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because “Linux can’t play games” despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.

2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can’t even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.

Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.

      • conciselyverbose@kbin.social
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        1 year ago

        Oh but average person don’t care about C compiler, torrent client, blah blah blah.

        I’d almost buy that as an argument if Windows wasn’t 90% bloat. So much built in adware, and they allow OEMs to ship with their own adware on top as well.

    • BassTurd@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Office365 is 100% installed on Windows, to a fault. The average and above average use dgaf about all that other stuff.

    • mestari@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      You fail to acknowledge that only a tiny fraction of PC users do anything resembling coding. The average user never ever needs a markdown editor or a C compiler.

    • Overzeetop@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 year ago

      Most of the things you say are missing are installed by default, though some require you to know how to use the command line. Which reminds me…how do you install the Netflix app on Linux? I’d like to watch some shows on my new laptop while I’m on the train.

    • Danfen@feddit.ukEnglish
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      1 year ago

      Windows 11 snipping tool can also screen record. Browsers can view PDFs these days.

      Why would a standard user need any others? That would just be bloat to preinstall them.

      I’ve never seen TikTok or Netflix preinstalled on a clean windows install. Are you sure your experience isn’t from images setup by e.g. laptop sellers?

    • 520@kbin.social
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      1 year ago

      Yes! Really, how do you even calculate base64 using Windows? With freakn Microsoft Edge!

      Powershell.

      Windows don’t have preinstalled git, torrent, PDF reader, stresstest, whois tool, FTP client, C compiler, screen recorder, disk imager, markdown editor, 7zip/RAR/tar opener.

      Last I checked, it does indeed have its own PDF Reader, whois tool, FTP client and screen recorder. It has a C compiler available but not installed by default.

        • 520@kbin.social
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          1 year ago

          Powershell. I checked and the command is like PS > [System.Text.Encoding]::UTF8.GetString([System.Convert]::FromBase64String(“YmxhaGJsYWg=”))

          Noone is going to actually use this. Why it can’t be just “base64 -d” like on *nix?

          It is true that it is a little obtuse. That’s because the Powershell language is designed to be a fully fledged scripting language more akin to Python than the shell-like syntax of BASH, with all the advantages and disadvantages that entails. It’s also true that cmd.exe (the BASH equivalent) is very underdeveloped when it comes to anything not directly sysadmin related.

          I didn’t know they included recorder recently, my bad.

          No worries, it is a fairly recent addition.

          FTP client I didn’t know too, still it’s a console client and no integration in Explorer.

          They used to have a GUI client too, but it was built into the browser, and has been removed as of Edge 88.

          For whois in Windows 11 search results points to a .exe program to download manually from Microsoft site.

          That I did not know, apologies. How mystifying. You’d think at least a prompt to use a Winget command would make more sense.