There’s also a long history of undercover feds self-identifying as anarchists, and leaked intelligence training that pushing for anarchism is one of the best ways for them to disrupt leftist movements trying to establish a socialist/communist state.
“Hey everyone nice party you’ve got here but have you consdiered all the ANARCHIST INFILTRATORS DESTROYING YOUR RANKS FROM WITHIN?!!! Why isn’t anyone taking this infiltration seriously!? I think we need to clean house immediately and get all these CIA Anarchists out!”
Who are you again?
Anyway maybe that tactic works so often because most “leftist” gatherings are just another rally for another cult of personality around another authoritarian leader? If these people weren’t investing so much energy into vanguarding and demonizing “the bad leftists” they might have built some actual solidarity and resistance to being infiltrated by cops.
Just gonna leave that there. Search for “2014 Maidan coup” for example, or “Bernie” or “blue MAGA.” Or “Taiwan.”
No idea what this guy’s talking about in this instance, it makes about as much sense as the very notable coincidental confluence of other stuff he likes to talk about. But as pertains to this case, all the leaked operations where people found out what the feds were up to were roughly 0% “let’s promote anarchism and infiltrate the ranks because that will discredit the left” and roughly 100% “let’s keep tabs on the left indiscriminately, in case we have to shoot them or throw them in prison.”
Periodically, they would try to promote infighting or discredit some notable leader, but it was mostly that second thing. They don’t have to be all 5d chess about it, they have guns and prisons.
Is that what it is? I have been generally baffled by the dishonest accounts that tend to say both “yay Russia” and “yay China” sort of with equal fervor, alongside a random little rogue’s gallery of other bizarre takes of which this is an example. I genuinely considered whether the strategy was just to be wrong about everything for some reason I can’t understand.
@surph_ninja@lemmy.world where do you get this stuff? Like what news do you read / who do you listen to that tells you that this all is how it works? I want to read more.
So-called “colour revolutions” are an invention of infamous conspiracy theorist, and perennial presidential candidate, Lyndon LaRouche. There’s a good (quite long) video on this topic here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OFyn_KSy80 which is the fourth in a series about the Ukraine war.
Yeah they act like anarchists because they’re the actual opposition. There’s no point in them dressing up in foreign uniforms to lure irrelevant tankies.
I like how the first person came in with some nonsense and you turned it up to TURBO nonsense.
Lemmy needs a better moderation model. When gibberish starts to be a significant part of the conversation, having volunteers apply “the rules of the community” just doesn’t accomplish the purpose of keeping it productive. Idk what the answer is, but this is not what success looks like.
There’s also a long history of undercover feds self-identifying as anarchists, and leaked intelligence training that pushing for anarchism is one of the best ways for them to disrupt leftist movements trying to establish a socialist/communist state.
But y’all don’t like to talk about that.
“Hey everyone nice party you’ve got here but have you consdiered all the ANARCHIST INFILTRATORS DESTROYING YOUR RANKS FROM WITHIN?!!! Why isn’t anyone taking this infiltration seriously!? I think we need to clean house immediately and get all these CIA Anarchists out!”
Who are you again?
Anyway maybe that tactic works so often because most “leftist” gatherings are just another rally for another cult of personality around another authoritarian leader? If these people weren’t investing so much energy into vanguarding and demonizing “the bad leftists” they might have built some actual solidarity and resistance to being infiltrated by cops.
We don’t want to talk about tankie paranoia, no.
If he dismisses leaked CIA tactics, he’s a fed.
If he dismisses leaked CIA tactics, he’s a fed.
If he dismisses the deep state, as internal leftist hate.
If he dismisses leaked CIA tactics, he’s a fed.
If he pushes leaked disinfo, he’s a fed.
If he pushes leaked disinfo, he’s a fed.
If he slanders anarchists, tryin to make antagonists,
If he pushes leaked disinfo, he’s a fed.
https://ponder.cat/u/surph_ninja@lemmy.world?page=1&sort=Controversial&view=Overview
Just gonna leave that there. Search for “2014 Maidan coup” for example, or “Bernie” or “blue MAGA.” Or “Taiwan.”
No idea what this guy’s talking about in this instance, it makes about as much sense as the very notable coincidental confluence of other stuff he likes to talk about. But as pertains to this case, all the leaked operations where people found out what the feds were up to were roughly 0% “let’s promote anarchism and infiltrate the ranks because that will discredit the left” and roughly 100% “let’s keep tabs on the left indiscriminately, in case we have to shoot them or throw them in prison.”
Periodically, they would try to promote infighting or discredit some notable leader, but it was mostly that second thing. They don’t have to be all 5d chess about it, they have guns and prisons.
This is what LaRouchism does to a MFer’s brain.
Is that what it is? I have been generally baffled by the dishonest accounts that tend to say both “yay Russia” and “yay China” sort of with equal fervor, alongside a random little rogue’s gallery of other bizarre takes of which this is an example. I genuinely considered whether the strategy was just to be wrong about everything for some reason I can’t understand.
@surph_ninja@lemmy.world where do you get this stuff? Like what news do you read / who do you listen to that tells you that this all is how it works? I want to read more.
Also a great primer essay on the topic of campism, which will help you understand the mindset: https://newpol.org/issue_post/internationalism-anti-imperialism-and-the-origins-of-campism/
Yeah they act like anarchists because they’re the actual opposition. There’s no point in them dressing up in foreign uniforms to lure irrelevant tankies.
I like how the first person came in with some nonsense and you turned it up to TURBO nonsense.
Lemmy needs a better moderation model. When gibberish starts to be a significant part of the conversation, having volunteers apply “the rules of the community” just doesn’t accomplish the purpose of keeping it productive. Idk what the answer is, but this is not what success looks like.
Fed posting used to be believable.
stfu fed