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Look where it got us humans by disrespecting animal rights on a massive scale.
We’re literally destroying the world and a lot of people still don’t care or understand. It’s a damn shame.
I mean, is cannibalism really the worst problem here?
Pigs are omnivores and if the alternative is to throw unused pork/pig parts away, feeding them to new pigs is at least not a waste.
Depriving the animals of everything they need and genetically engineering them to suffer is far worse in my opinion.
I mean, is cannibalism really the worst problem here?
Humans are omnivores and if the alternative is to throw unused human parts underground or cremate them, feeding them to new humans is at least not a waste.
Is it possible to eat those humans? If it’s actually nutritious I don’t see a problem, and it’s less wasteful, as you said. Soylent Green operated on this principle.
Soylent Green - tastes like prion disease!
If you want a prion disease like Kuru go ahead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)
If I’m not mistaken, any properly prepared meat (muscle tissue) should be fine. Most disorders caused by cannibalism happen when consuming brain matter, which, at least for the most part, humans largely don’t eat the brains of any animal…
I get why people are opposed to it, and I’d never force anyone to eat anything that they didn’t want to. But the fact is, if you only eat the meat/muscle, like we do with other animals, and you prepare it much in the same way through proper handling and cooking, it’s generally not hazardous to your health.
It becomes a problem when you start eating other parts beyond the muscles… Honestly, as long as we’re not breeding humans for meat, and the individual who has expired is okay with their remains being eaten, then I don’t really see any problem with it personally.
I don’t think many, if any, people would consent to their body becoming food for their fellow man after they die, but if they did, I don’t really see a problem with doing it, provided proper food safety is considered (as with any meat).
In general the only time this has happened where people have been pretty okay with the fact that it happened is in cases of extreme desperation, like being trapped on a mountain in freezing cold temperatures after a plane crash, with no food aside from the other (already deceased) passengers… In those cases most of society turns a blind eye saying “they did what they had to do to survive” or some other rationalization.
AFAIK, you are correct. The prion diseases are primarily a risk from consuming brains. However, meat can get contaminated during the slaughtering and butchering process. so eating animals (or people) that have prion diseases is usually strongly discouraged. Especially since prion diseases can take years to show up in people.
It’s also a problem with Chronic Wasting Disease in deer.
Well additionally, meat is usually best tasting when the animal is more or less culled during the prime of their life, so not only would a young person have to be prescient enough to write a will, but be in the very small percentage of young people who also desire to be eaten.
This argument, even from a cold logical standpoint, still strikes me as rather nonsensical, as anyone who might actually desire this who had thought it through, would have had extensive life experience to come to such a conclusion. This would result in an elderly person essentially saying, “please eat my tough not succulent flesh after I pass away.”
That’s a fair argument.
I don’t have anything more to add, but it’s been a very interesting discussion.
Have a good day.
I agree with both your views, with the minor addendum of the elderly being fed to livestock, since they are much less picky about what they eat.
i’d love to have a bbq/funeral were i to die, but unfortunately, in the US, the things you can legally have done with your corpse are pretty limited. basically, you don’t own your body after you die, and neither does anyone else, so you’ve gotta pick from a short list of allowed post-mortem activities.
I mean, in many cases you could. In many places there aren’t even laws against it. I’m personally of the opinion that we should treat animals similar to how we would treat humans, thus the translation for others to consider the same.
I totally agree, we should treat animals the same as we treat humans. I really don’t understand why so many people value animal lives lesser to those of humans.
Yes and if you read the Vox article the meme is referencing, this is very much not the case. Mother pigs being torn apart literally as factory farm workers laugh, make jokes, and generally make comments you’d hear out of a dramatized serial murderer.
These practices not only have horrific effects on the animals obviously, but these workers lose whatever shreds of humanity they might have going into it, and I’d assume they have similar sick fantasies about murdering/torturing humans in a similar fashion.
I’d assume they have similar sick fantasies about murdering/torturing humans in a similar fashion.
That is a huge leap. Because of the nature of the work, most people I’ve met who work in animal agriculture just don’t see their livestock as conscious in any way, let alone at all equivalent to a human.
No, they say “Rip that removed in half” prior to splitting a mother pig in half. The article points out that piglets are fed other chopped up piglets and feces and.
The workers are recorded as saying things like “I needed that”, indicating that beating these animals is not just a necessity, but inherently pleasurable to them.
I dont think a person who makes such statements and those that are willing to laugh/nod in agreement at such sentiments are in a healthy mindset. Those kinds of statements in that context indicate these are people who get pleasure out of torturing and killing living beings. I disagree that this is a huge leap. Given enough time in dehumanizing conditions like that, every animal becomes just a hunk of flesh, rather than a being with complex feelings and experiences.
And I’m not naive enough to believe that this kind of work doesn’t attract particularly sadistic people.
I suggest you read the article:
Seems like a modest proposal to me.
I mean… I am open to trying new things and I hate being wasteful.
If someone held a gun to your Moms head and then to a pigs head and you had to choose, who would you choose?
That’s a pretty far off equivalency…
Other than possible health concerns, I have no moral issues with eating humans that died from some other cause. There’s nothing intrinsically wrong about it, it’s a cultural thing.
It we were living off the good graces of another species who raised us, I guess we’d have no choice in the matter if we were fed other humans, just like these animals
the good graces of another species who raised us
Lmao what? Would you feel the same if some extraterrestrial beings just landed here on earth and started to breed us to be as fat as quick as possible so they can eat us? Would you thank them for their good graces?
“Living off the good graces”
You fucking evil dip shit. We raise those animals to die for our pleasure and you’re acting like they’re a houseguest who overstayed their welcome. Fuck you. I’d call you swine but you don’t deserve to be included in such good company.
Ah well, that’s the nature of things are unfortunately. Go take your outrage to Twitter maybe
Hope you slip in pig shit and die drowning in it :)
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Look up how Mad Cow disease proliferated and you’ll have your answer.
Not just “don’t care”, people actively mock and deride those who try to spread awareness.
I think we all know how fucked up the meat industrial complex is, we just don’t want to face it and feel guilty about the ease of access to something so nice.
Also not to mention the huuuge amounts of propganda by Big Meat
‘atsuh thang buddy. Eez pigs is fer eatin’. Ay ain’t pets. Just food goin’ tuh food.
Honestly though. I doubt there’s a single part of the meat industry that wouldn’t hurt our feelings or horrify us. It is not an industry of kindness.
I get why people choose to be vegetarians and vegans.
This is how we got BSE/CJD in the UK, i.e. mad cow disease. Prions are really scary, if the moral weight of feeding animals their own species wasn’t already a good enough reason not to do it.
Honestly, I don’t know enough about pig behaviour to properly judge the practice. Maybe they’re happy to eat dead pigs, some animals practice… necrophagy, or whatever. But it’s not a great idea in livestock.
Hey, just incase you missed my reply as the post was deleted…
This is why people hate PETA.
Yes, PETA does some crazy shit, but as with many things there are two sides to the story which is difficult to see when you get bombarded by anti-PETA stuff as is common on e.g. Reddit.
Anti-PETA efforts by the meat industry:
Sites like www.petakillsanimals.com are run by the Center for Organizational Research and Education, which is a lobbying platform for the fast food, meat, alcohol and tobacco industries. They also target the humane society, even John Oliver did a piece on them and their founder Richard Berman. That’s just one outlet for their misinformation-campains, they are also cited in lots of blogs and “news articles” as well, so it’s not always very obvious.
They are the driving power behind all the misinformation and PETA-hate that is spread around. PETA is actually doing a lot for animal rights, that’s why they are such a big target for smear campaigns:
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[Their biggest victories] (https://www.peta.org/about-peta/milestones/)
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[All victories sorted by recent] (https://www.peta.org/about-peta/victories/) (several per week!)
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See also http://www.petakillsanimalsscam.com/
PETA and their kill-shelters:
PETA kills animals because unfortunately there are no better places for them. Blame the puppy mills and irresponsible short term owners that give up their pets a few days or weeks after getting them because they had no idea what they got themselves into. Those people create more pets than there are places for them, so instead of having them become strays and further add to the problem, PETA put down those they can’t adopt out. Because PETA accepts all animals, even those that other shelters turn away in order to not sully their adoption numbers, PETA shelters end up with many more “hopeless” animals. See more here.
The case of the mistaken dog (and how PETA doesn’t steal and murder pets):
A farmer asked PETA to euthanise a pack of stray dogs that were aggressive and violent towards the farmer’s cows. Upon arrival, PETA found the pack of stray dogs, took them to the shelter and put them down, as a free service. Unfortunately it turned out, that one of the presumed stray dogs was a pet-chihuaha called Maya, that was not sitting on the porch, as often claimed, but running freely with the stray pack, without leash or collar or supervision. PETA fucked up, because they didn’t wait the 5 day grace period to give the owners time to look for and collect their pet. That’s why they had to pay a fine and apologized for it. http://www.whypetaeuthanizes.com/maya.html
The monkey selfie:
The monkey took the picture himself btw, the photographer just left the camera lying around. I am not saying the monkey should be copyright holder and it’s an open-shut case, but it does raise the question about the photographer having ownership over something that was voluntarily and independently created by an animal. What if a painter would leave his brushes lying around and an animal would create a painting? The artist actually sees it the same way and settled for a compromise with PETA followed by a joint statement. This was a landmark case in copyright law.
PETA equating milk to racism:
White supremacists actually use milk to demonstrate their superiority over “inferior” (their words, obviously) lactose intolerant ethnicities. That’s the reason behind their campaign on the issue.
Final thoughts (I promise):
PETA does a good job at raising issues and are one of the most successfull organisations to fight for animal rights. The granting of rights is the only real way to protect animals from unneccessary cruelty. Animal welfare will always be arbitrary, both in what species are worthy of protection, and the extent of protection they are worthy of. You cannot consider yourself an animal lover without recognizing the importance of that.
Sometimes PETA (intentionally?) overshoot, that happens when you try to move the border of current perceptions (i.e. animals are objects to be used for food, clothes, entertainment). I am not here to defend their tone or (lack of) tact, and there are a number of (sometimes downright stupid) PETA-campaigns I disagree with. I’m not trying to convice you to become their friend, but at least judge them for what they are doing, not for what they are said to do.
Most of the criticism of PETA you read on Reddit comes straight from the mouths of the Center for Organizational Research and Education (CORE), formerly known as the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF). It’s basically a corporate propaganda organization with donors like Tyson Foods, Wendy’s, and Coca-Cola. They also run campaigns claiming obesity isn’t that major of a problem and that you can eat 10 times as much mercury from fish as experts recommend. The vast majority of the animals PETA euthanizes are suffering and are brought to PETA’s shelter by their owners specifically to be put out of their misery, but the CCF distorts that into “PETA is stealing people’s pets off the streets” and Reddit gobbles it up.
The media also knows that PETA is an easy target. Years ago I read an article in one of the British tabloids (the Sun or the Mirror) with a headline something like, “PETA blasts child’s bunny wedding!” But if you actually read the article, what happened is a kid dressed up some bunnies in wedding outfits, the “journalist” reached out to PETA and asked them to comment, and PETA said something like, “we don’t support dressing rabbits in costumes because it may be stressful for them.” And that was the end of the story, but that wouldn’t get clicks so they distorted the headline to make it sound like PETA was protesting or attacking the kid on their own accord.
For the record, I think there are perfectly legitimate criticisms of PETA, like the sexist imagery they use in some of their ad campaigns and their welfarist (as opposed to abolitionist) approach to advocacy. It just gets to me that so many redditors claim to be rational and free-thinking but then read literal corporate propaganda about PETA and swallow it whole without a second thought.
Again, I hope you find out why you don’t like PETA (and can formulate some sort of coherent reason) other than the childish “because I don’t like them” kind of circular reasoning.
This is helpful consideration, thank you for sharing.
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How does PETA dick taste?
Veggies supposedly make cum taste better.
I thought that was supposed to be pineapple 🤔
That too.
It’s basically the sugars. So like fruits and sweet veg can help, it’s a marked difference that women have noticed and commented on.
It seems to me like you’re against PETA for some reason.
So am I in ways, laid out in my info dump above. But, I GUESS it can be a long read for some people, and I wouldn’t expect someone who doesn’t explain why they don’t like PETA to have the cognitive development to rationalise why. This might all very well be going totally over your head. But that’s OK, others will read. :)
Hope you realise one day why you’re against PETA.
There is many reasons to hate them. The difference is, I don’t have to spam an essay on every vaguely animal related form to try to convince people. Funny that you already know that when animals are mentioned, PETA gets mentioned and people are smart enough to know bullshit when they see it. I hope you realize that you work for some really shitty people and get away. There is always time to make a good decision.
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But what about prions?
They don’t give a fuck
Pigs seem to be naturally resistant to prion disease. It’s never been observed in them
Pigs are resistant and it doesn’t matter to any animals unless they are eating brains. All of the smarmy aasholes in here commenting “wHaT aBoUt PrIoNs” are embarrassing themselves.
Mad Cow Disease round 2 🤙
Link to the article if anyone wants to read it: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23817808/pig-farm-investigation-feedback-immunity-feces-intestines
Im good. Bacon tasty. Preachy vegans are lame.
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Does prion disease affect pigs who eat other pigs? Is it one of the reasons we are extra careful to cook pork thoroughly?
No. The reason that we used to be advised to cook pork thoroughly was because of trichinosis. That is no longer common, so it is no longer necessary to thoroughly cook pork to the degree that it used to be.
You mean those diseases which have never been found to occur in pigs? Yeah. Delicious. I’m not defending this practice, but your reason to be against it is based on a falsehood.
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Oh wow you changed my mind
Bro this isn’t about veganism, I love the taste of bacon too. What I read in that article is absolutely fucked. A small quote:
Male piglets at the farm have their tails cut off and testicles ripped out by hand without anesthesia or pain relief, both standard practices in the industry. The investigator filmed employees tossing the testicles at each other and at a wall that was covered in them.
yeah, meat lover here, it’s real fucked and completely legal.
These practices are all legal and widespread because lawmakers have made them so. The federal Animal Welfare Act excludes livestock from protection, while many state animal cruelty laws exempt “customary farming practices,” allowing the industry to define what’s customary. Big Ag is one of the more powerful lobbies in Washington.
In some states, it’s even illegal to conduct investigations like the one featured in this story. From the early 1990s to the early 2020s, a number of states passed “ag-gag” laws, which generally prohibit people from taking videos or photographs on farms without permission. Fortunately, most have been struck down as unconstitutional.
So… you’re less likely to hear from “preachy vegans” (aka investigations into these abhorrent practices) in the future but no less likely to be eating meat that was fed poop. cooooool.
Sadly this isn’t just common in the bacon industry, similar abhorrent practises are common in literally every livestock sector. The workers develop a sort of disassociation and don’t see them as animals anymore, or just straight up don’t care.
The workers develop a sort of disassociation and don’t see them as animals anymore, or just straight up don’t care.
Highest suicide rates worldwide.
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Not gonna lie, I read that as “porn industry” and was really confused as to why tf everyone is talking about pigs and animal abuse. Took me a awful amount of time to realize it’s actually “pork industry” not “porn industry”
And you weren’t concerned about the cannibalism in the porn industry?
I mean, it’s an aggressive way to say “they swallow”, but nothing new.
Oh. Well, I didn’t consider it from that point of view. Hm :|
I saw park industry… What do parks have to do with pigs and cannibalism?
Ohhhhh.
I have extreme dietary restrictions that make a vegan diet hard, i try, but sometimes I eat meat. This sucks.
The statute of limitations has expired and no cruelty charges have been brought, so Animal Outlook is now releasing its findings to the public.
According to the state, this is indeed fine. Wonderful.
reason 5003 why I try to avoid meat that isnt from the local farm in my village
Too late! Farmers very often have to stop sows from eating their own piglets, and they don’t always get there in time. Pigs are naturally cannibalistic in the wild, which is part of what makes them such a nasty invasive species. They’re their own food source, at least in part.
They could say least feed it to another species to prevent illness
bacon, now with more REAL FECES!
I hear they are working lab grown feces to improve the situation.
So everyone ITT just wants to ignore the fact that pigs are naturally cannibalistic? K cool beans guys
Pigs are cannibalistic individually and infrequently, not FORCED on an INDUSTRIAL SCALE
People don’t realize how common cannibalism is in other species. Just have a male and female hamster and you’ll find out.
I think people know, but there’s this weird disconnect where it applies to bugs but not animals. Most kids know female mantis and spiders generally eat the males of their species, but far fewer know the realities of chickens or pigs. Always pretty easy to pick out the farm kids in biology class.
But bugs are animals…
Found the southern educated
Kingdom Animalia
I’m from New Jersey.
I really don’t know why I said that, that’s was a cringe ass thing to say for no reason - sorry about that.
Fun fact; New Jersey is one of the top spending schools on education believe it or not
What does that mean?
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Surely insulting intelligence is a good way to convince people to join your cause
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For reference for others, they do seem to be getting mass-downvoted on all their recent comments in their post history with plenty being pretty benign:
The suffering makes the bacon taste better
