cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/64363784

The founder of the Telegram messaging app said on Sunday he had refused a request by a Western government, which he did not name but appeared to imply was France, to silence conservative voices in Romania ahead of a presidential election run-off there.

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    MOSCOW - I don’t think that’s where the Telegram founder Pavel Durov resides, and that’s not where Telegram resides.

    So that alone tells us what this news article is worth, how objective and factual it is likely to be. *

    I fucking hate Telegram. Its encryption is weak, its servers completely opaque, Durov’s loyalties unclear. A long time ago it did not require a phone number to register and from that time it gained a reputation of being truly anonymous and, yes, safe. Some even paint Durov as some sort of digital hero who’s being pursued by “Western” governments. More Russian dis(torted)information propaganda.


    * There’s a Reuters article that says the same as this article. Even starting with MOSCOW, too, but never explaining how this article even comes from Moscow. I wonder how Reuter’s gets this stuff (they must be starved for actionable information from Russia), but my guess is that for once it suits Russia to spread the truth because Durov already said the lies, so quoting him is technically the truth.

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      Its encryption is weak, its servers completely opaque

      Does this mean someone actually can do something to data submitted by me to telegram servers, or my encrypted chats? If that’s so I’d like to know a concrete example or a workflow.

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        My phrasing was wrong; MTProto 1.0 was weak. 2.0 is apparently better. However:

        because all communication, including plaintext and ciphertext, passes through Telegram servers, and because the server is responsible for choosing Diffie–Hellman parameters, the “server should not be considered as trusted.”

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          That’s different from what I asked. It’s about the other users or hackers, not services. I already live under assumption that no server of any service can be trusted.

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      Apropos the edit: No you’re not getting away with this. The linked article is copy pasted from the Reuters article. It is the Reuters article.

      So what you’re taking issue with is one of the most reputable Western news sources doing their job, as clinically and unbiasedly as they always do. They don’t editorialize.

      You are acting like one of those Russia bots in the comment sections that we all are so familiar with.

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      The story is identical to the one on reuters.com. There is no propagandistic phrasing of things, the article states what different parties claim, and refers to the French foreign ministry, which makes it undoubtably relevant. I don’t know how that can be possibly misconstrued as biased or factually shakey.

      So thank you for eurofied mccarthyism. Really doesn’t make it any easier to navigate around Russian propaganda when you pollute the information ecosystem. And also voids your reasonable criticism of Telegram and Durov BTW.

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        21 hours ago

        If I’m a eurofied mccarthyist, I guess that makes you a tankie then? Not that either is true.

        You are way too insulting and aggressive to have a discussion with.

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          21 hours ago

          You are way too insulting and aggressive to have a discussion with.

          You spread misinformation and somehow you’re also the victim here.