cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/64363784
The founder of the Telegram messaging app said on Sunday he had refused a request by a Western government, which he did not name but appeared to imply was France, to silence conservative voices in Romania ahead of a presidential election run-off there.
Sure he says that but can he proof it? Easy to say stuff like the founder of Telegram is a pigboy who works for Putler but without proof what is that worth.
I even say nothing this shit person says can be taken serious.
and with “conservative” voices, they probably mean fascist, undemocratic (pro-russian) voices.
I mean sure but I really wouldn’t like a random foreign country requesting cencorship to sway my elections even if it was to combat bad things™. Though it’s not like Russia isn’t doing the same thing too.
I really wouldn’t like a random foreign country … to sway my elections
You mean like Russian disinformation campaigns, where this article no doubt ultimately originates.
Maybe criticize Durov then instead?
The lies are told by Durov himself. I still wonder why this article originates in Moscow.
instead
Why not both?
Telegram is a Russian app and Durov is loyal to Russia.
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MOSCOW, May 18 (Reuters) - The founder of the Telegram messaging app said on Sunday he had refused a request by a Western government, which he did not name but appeared to imply was France, to silence conservative voices in Romania ahead of a presidential election run-off there.
Well, turned out it wasn’t necessary.
“Conservative voices” that totally didn’t call for racial and gender segregation, violence against minorities and genocide, no sir!
Does Durov have anything to support his claims?
French intelligence rejects Telegram founder’s claim of Romania vote meddling
France’s foreign intelligence service on Monday rejected claims from Telegram founder Pavel Durov that its chief had requested the tech mogul to ban pro-conservative Romanian accounts from the platform ahead of weekend elections.
Durov was sensationally detained in Paris in 2024 and is under formal investigation by French authorities over illegal content on his popular service […]
MOSCOW - I don’t think that’s where the Telegram founder Pavel Durov resides, and that’s not where Telegram resides.
So that alone tells us what this news article is worth, how objective and factual it is likely to be.*I fucking hate Telegram. Its encryption is weak, its servers completely opaque, Durov’s loyalties unclear. A long time ago it did not require a phone number to register and from that time it gained a reputation of being truly anonymous and, yes, safe. Some even paint Durov as some sort of digital hero who’s being pursued by “Western” governments. More Russian dis(torted)information propaganda.
* There’s a Reuters article that says the same as this article. Even starting with MOSCOW, too, but never explaining how this article even comes from Moscow. I wonder how Reuter’s gets this stuff (they must be starved for actionable information from Russia), but my guess is that for once it suits Russia to spread the truth because Durov already said the lies, so quoting him is technically the truth.
The only reason to use Telegram is NexusSTC
Its encryption is weak, its servers completely opaque
Does this mean someone actually can do something to data submitted by me to telegram servers, or my encrypted chats? If that’s so I’d like to know a concrete example or a workflow.
My phrasing was wrong; MTProto 1.0 was weak. 2.0 is apparently better. However:
because all communication, including plaintext and ciphertext, passes through Telegram servers, and because the server is responsible for choosing Diffie–Hellman parameters, the “server should not be considered as trusted.”
That’s different from what I asked. It’s about the other users or hackers, not services. I already live under assumption that no server of any service can be trusted.
Apropos the edit: No you’re not getting away with this. The linked article is copy pasted from the Reuters article. It is the Reuters article.
So what you’re taking issue with is one of the most reputable Western news sources doing their job, as clinically and unbiasedly as they always do. They don’t editorialize.
You are acting like one of those Russia bots in the comment sections that we all are so familiar with.
The story is identical to the one on reuters.com. There is no propagandistic phrasing of things, the article states what different parties claim, and refers to the French foreign ministry, which makes it undoubtably relevant. I don’t know how that can be possibly misconstrued as biased or factually shakey.
So thank you for eurofied mccarthyism. Really doesn’t make it any easier to navigate around Russian propaganda when you pollute the information ecosystem. And also voids your reasonable criticism of Telegram and Durov BTW.
If I’m a eurofied mccarthyist, I guess that makes you a tankie then? Not that either is true.
You are way too insulting and aggressive to have a discussion with.
You are way too insulting and aggressive to have a discussion with.
You spread misinformation and somehow you’re also the victim here.
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As a Leftist Romanian, this is not how to do things (at least not while things are still relatively reasonable)…
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Left compromises until it switches to the Right, I know, but we do still need a few standards and boundaries, ffs…
If this was about another misinformation campaign, post that shit publicly! Point your finger at it and keep that finger pointed, make a public mockery of these vile behaviours! But if it’s just The Other People™ sharing ideas and discussing, then… what the fuck is your business with it? Isn’t that the exact same thing we’re doing? There still needs to be discourse, there needs to be communication! We can’t just silence voices as it pleases us, that’s what the fucking Nazis WANT! We do still have to fight nice and clean for a while, set the example.
Within limits, of course! If the Right starts throwing pocket sand, then kicks to the groin are back on the menu, y’know what I mean? But until then, stop fucking about! You’re just feeding into their nonsense machine!
