"Oh no no! They didn’t miss that information. They’re ignoring that information because big pharma something something… "
Being anti vax is dumb. But we do need to acknowledge that what people are exposed to through legacy media isn’t all of science. They dont normally expose you to information that tells you things like the best cure is prevention or that so much of the food in the US is abysmal and needs to be regulated
Oh this is so good…
I have known a ton of people like this. The hardest part of dealing with it is that sometimes they are right. It’s typically a case where they came to the correct conclusion but arrived there by faulty logic and/or false information.
All they will ever recognize is that the were right, doesn’t matter why or how. They never actually learned any lesson, they’ll ignore the myriad other cases where they were absolutely wrong, while they continue to use the same baseless methodology to form future opinions and conclusions.
They expect science to be 100 percent full proof. Because they don’t understand how science works. It’s a big proportion that agrees or disagrees with the process.
Can I find some doctors that say the vaccine is crap? Sure. Anyone can. But how many compared to those that say that the vaccine is good. And then you lose them in all that certainty.
They want the comfort because they lack the ability to use critical thinking. They do not realize that certainty is a luxury that very few things are awarded in life.
That’s because they’re looking for confirmation, not truth.
It’s not so much that they’re dumb (even if they are), it’s that they’re stubborn and unwilling to change their mind.
They also generally come from a place of justified distrust of modern day mass (and sometimes even specialized) media, which makes it harder to reason with them.
Much of the problem is the false assumption that their dumb internet forums and influencers aren’t being manipulative as well, by different and more ruthless actors… Yeah, dude, the government does shady stuff and manipulates people and narratives, but Andrew Tate telling you to cheat on your wife while exposing your kids to polio isn’t better is it?It’s like a whole new tier of stupid.
You’ve figured out people with good will and that are trying to do it correctly? Yeah well…
Now, you’ve leveled up and have to deal with actual bozos and people with fried brains
Tbf, in authoritarian regimes, scientists and doctors who speak the truth get silenced.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation_by_China
The government can censor the 90 of 100 scientists telling the truth, then amplify the 10 that is pro-government and spread disinformation. Then, any leaks by the ones telling the truth are then dismissed as conspiracy theories.
Don’t blindly trust your social media posts.
But also don’t blindly trust your government, especially if they are authoriarian / have a reputation for lying.
(Protip: Befriend scientists and doctors so you have direct access to information without going through mainstream media / social media)
Then you have people like my sister: “nooo my nurse friend said the vaccine is the worst, i will never get vaccinated. I live healthy and go outside a lot, that’s much better!”
Edit: i don’t disagree with you at all, just frustrating how even seemingly smart people form so stupid opinions…
The whole covid thing was a shit show. I’m honestly surprised we survived it
You are not allowed to talk about the lab leak conspiracy theory.
?? It’s a legit theory
Now it’s a legitimate theory. For many years it wasn’t
Yeah, i know… people were basically brainwashed against the idea. I found that so insane
It made it obvious how government officials will either talk out of their asses or straight up lie. Like telling people everything is fine, go on vacation for spring break, then we’re in lockdown by the middle of spring break (when it was clear that it was a big deal in south Korea and Italy already).
Or repeating “there’s no evidence of it being airborne” long after it was clear that it was airborne.
Plus finding out the science of how particles move in the air medicine was using was decades behind the cutting edge and still believed it was based on the mass of the particle when airplanes existed that could remain airborne well over that “max mass”.
And that’s not even going into Trump’s bullshit.
I’m doing a bunch of vacationing at famous museums and it’s insane to me that after we all just learned how to survive a pandemic, I have seen exactly ZERO people who are sick and coughing up a lung in the museums are wearing a fucking mask. I hate humanity.
I’m still surpised we (humanity) didn’t nuke ourselves during the cold war. I mean, there’s at least lile 10 close-calls. Perhaps the miltiverse-theory is true and we are the only ones that survived or its like some quantum-immortality shit.
No, no. Just let us cook, I’m sure we’ll end ourselves any minute now 👍
This is kinda how chernobyl happened.
I hate that the extreme polarity of things right now keeps us from having the important conversations surrounding the kernels of truth within people’s mistrust and dissatisfaction.
It is a fact that the government has made a habit of lying to people. It is a fact that the cover of medical experimentation has been used to justify atrocities against minorities within the last 100 years.
However, it is not true that @JoeTruth1488 on 4Chan is likely to have all the answers to a conspiracy in plain sight. It is not true that InfoWars is spitting facts while everyone else is out to get you.
I can understand the mistrust of the system, but I can’t understand the conclusion that some anonymous yahoo with no inside perspective somehow has the resources to have figured it all out.
They make it make sense in the way the reader wants it to make sense.
There is nothing wrong with having a dissenting conclusion from your own observations, but accepting some internet creators conclusions as your own without scrutiny is equally as bad or worse than accepting the government lies they say they are rejecting. If they applied the same skepticism to their fringe news sources, we’d be in a better place, I think.
True. However the fringe “influencers” often are the most vocal against the government and usually default as the “voice of reason” by simply being there.
Actual objective and unbiased information needs a visible and relatively trustworthy representative regular people can latch unto. Which is difficult because they will be attacked from all the sides who will be hampered by such a presence.
I can understand the mistrust of the system, but I can’t understand the conclusion that some anonymous yahoo with no inside perspective somehow has the resources to have figured it all out.
There was always some percentage of the population that believes in that stuff, for a variety of understandable reasons.
That’s… fine. It kinda worked.
The problem is social media has amplified those voices by orders of magnitude because they’re engaging (hence, profitable). The missing panel above is the FB post, YT segment, podcast (all recommended algorithmically) or whatever that led that guy down the rabbit hole.
In other words, It’s not a content problem, but an engagement one.
I definitely agree. I’m old enough to remember when Alex Jones just had his late night radio show in Austin, and he was actually kind of fun back then. It was all about the hollow moon, reptilians, and grey aliens hosting the Bohemian Grove parties. Once he got an internet channel, it was a whole different ballgame.
I miss the days of quaint kooks instead of dangerous kooks.
I forever will associate “do your research” in this type of context with Flat Earth conspiracy theorists. I know a ton of people who are like this.
If they actually do their own research then I do give them some respect
https://old.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/cpyq85/flatearther_accidentally_proves_the_earth_is/
I can’t imagine how many wives are living this exact scenario
I’m sure tons of spouses are living this reality. Have you not seen The deluge of Karen types talking about how vaccines are a hoax?
RFK stands for Really a F’n Karen
Sexist fuck. Wives also pull this crap, you feminazi.
People like this don’t think they missed anything, they think it’s a deliberate cover-up. Yeah, and I mean like the average dude thinks that.
The same top doctors and scientists responsible for perpetuating systemic biases in modern medicine against women and POC?
The same top doctors and scientists responsible for diagnosing 16x more boys than girls with ADHD because of antiquated diagnostic criteria that were solely based on white teenage boys?
The same top doctors and scientists who treat every woman with abdominal pain as a drama queen while they suffer from ruptured appendices and endometriosis?
The same top doctors and scientists who treat chronically ill patients as drug seeking hypochondriacs instead as people who have been failed by a medical system that does not treat them as reliable witnesses to their own bodies?
There’s a certain kind of privilege to be able to hold such confidence in the medical system without having to worry about medical gaslighting and abuse, and then use it to ridicule people who have been subjected to mistreatment.
Make no mistake, I’m pro-vaccination and pro-science. But scientists and doctors are human with human biases, and it is reflected in the quality of care received by people who are the subject of implicit and explicit biases.
And you know who found out about all those issues? Other doctors and scientists. And not the random weirdo posting on Facebook about herbal tea or homeopathy
Dunno. If you hear on Facebook about someone with the same symptoms as you having success with a different treatment because your doctor is too overworked to read the latest research, is that really a bad thing?
The question is if the latest research is real research. You know, by doctors and scientists, research institutions, with peer review and well, science or if it is some pseudo science or someone peddeling snake oil
It’s mostly the latter, but it’s sometimes the former.
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be, it’s C.C. here, uh, Chris, from New York, Westchester County…
Earth is flat, space is fake, and I have to make videos in my car because my wife doesn’t let me make them in the house anymore because even she thinks I’m a fucking moron.
“god you’re such a fucking moron”
There are lots of independent theoreticians who have done independent work, then brought it out to a scientific community and it’s sparked a ton of interest.
And I do mean “independent theoretician” as in a respectful euphemism to “mad bastards”, although I prefer the latter. You could also use “a touch too inspired”.
Okay well this guy was an actual academic, but the fox breeder came to mind first. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Belyayev_(zoologist)
Then three was the woman who mapped the entire sea floor by fucking drawing it painstakingly herself from like sonar scan results. She’s essentially who discovered good proof of tectonic plates. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Tharp
Tharp’s discovery of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge caused a paradigm shift in earth science that led to the acceptance of the theories of plate tectonics and continental drift.
Okay well yeah she was an academic as well but those are just two massive names I can think of rn. And loads of us on Lemmy are actually academic, technically.
But anyway, basically the argument in the comic could’ve been used against those people, and definitely was against the plate tectonic lady.
Hell, the guy who figured out surgeons were killing patients but the morgue-full just because they weren’t washing their hands tried desperately convincing people to wash their hands and doctors just kept mocking him like “haha, as if it was our faults the patients died, right, yeah, tiny little bits of corpses on our hands, yea, haha, good one, Semmelweiss”.
Dude became rather aggravated that he’d figured it out and no-one listened. Ended up in an asulym and died of sepsis, the very thing he fought against so hard.
I feel that guy. Can share his frustration.
Janet Stephens is my favourite of these examples.
Ppl don’t realise just how many geniuses go unrealised. It’s like 1/50-200 ppl.
Thanks for the link
“Honey can you check the mail? Oh, you didn’t get your degree in biochemistry yet? What about the biomedical engineering degree? Not that one either? Hmm…”
Assuming this is in response to our MAGAt administration revoking authorization for children and healthy adults under 65?
No, it’s a comment about people refusing to believe professionals and experts know their field of study because they can’t understand the problem themselves.
Every once in a very long while a miracle can happen, like when some people called out drinking so much milk daily couldn’t be good.
