The only victims of calling palestinian supporter antisemitic is non zionists jews who will exprerience more real antisemitism

All the major western countries still back up israel and.was celebrsting them attacking Iran. Unfortunately israel is not a rogue state yet

Israel does not have a future after this.

If Germany and Japan could have a future after WW2 - a war they lost categorically - Israel will do just fine in the coming decades, after successfully executing a full ethnic cleanse of some of the more valuable real estate in the Mediterranean.

Israel isn’t a rogue state, it’s a cat’s paw. They’re doing the dirty work as a proxy for allies who have wanted to wipe Arabs off that corner of the map for decades. In the end, however, you’re going to see western states welcome Israelis back into the fold with open arms, just so long as they can pin this all on Netanyahu and pretend it wasn’t a national project with the full support of the Israeli public.

Yes an entire population should be put down like a rabbid dog.

Seriously are you listening yourself? Genocide much?

ban landlords.

But that’s what the author is saying. The “post war liberal order” of the last 77 years had mostly been a success of coming together to say that there are lines that can’t be crossed.

Now, at this point in the order’s timeline, those lines are being left so far in the rear view that they’re not visible anymore, while the empires that came to take down the holocaust are now cracking down on the people pointing this out. And critically, as pointed out later in the article, are taking notes for future wars.

Factor in the right wing fascists rising to power all over the world who are flagrantly walking all over decency and inflicting violence/turning the systems on enemies without much of a peep…well, things for the future look to be heading down a seriously dangerous path.

This isn’t business as usual. That is what they’re saying. They point out that this “established order” and international law have always been vulnerable to powerful actors moving the goalposts to serve and protect their interests. But this much drastic change in just a few years, specifically centered around Gaza is a horrific force—coupled with every other factor throughout the world— that seems to be upending any hopes for a decent future.

It’s actually a good question. We didn’t.

The desire to create a country Israel came about in the 1800s, when Theodor Herzl looked at anti-semitism in Europe and concluded that Jews would never be accepted by countries or have any political power so the only way to get ahead in such a nationalistic world would be to make their own country. It was built on an anachronistic set of ideas; religion was tied to your citizenship of a country. Turkey represented European Muslims and UK/France/Germany represented Christians, and he concluded there was no way Jews could be considered equal citizens in Europe.

Originally the plan was to buy land in Africa or South America and declare a new country there. It was a purely secular plan to build an ethnostate. The World Zionist Congress had a vote and they narrowly approved to build the country in British mandate Palestine, not for religious reasons but because the connection to Jerusalem would help motivate immigration and tourism. They almost had it in Uganda or Argentina or Madagascar.

The holocaust merely accelerated the plan and gave a justification after the fact to build the country. Initially Israeli society didn’t like having holocaust survivors and they weren’t treated well, only today are they out on a pedestal and used as justification for their colonialism.

It was more “given up” rather than “freely given” to the Zionists. They were resolute invaders and ferocious terrorists. And once they tuned their sights from the local population to the British, the British fucked off real fast. Then did the paperwork.

I’m no less ignorant than you are, but “returning home” isn’t as easy as it sounds when your leaders and neighbors were at best complicit and at worst eager conspirators (excepting those who rebelled either openly or secretly) in your extermination. Jews have a rather long history of being…mistreated, for lack of a more appropriate term within reach, so the abstract idea of having a self-governed homeland where you can feel safe as a Jew seems to make some degree of sense in context.

But because Zionism is generally practiced by nationalists and religious zealots, and because colonialism was (and evidently is) still considered a-ok by the global power brokers when all this started, the tone of the occupation became “we’re taking your space because we deserve it and you don’t” rather than “may we please share your space in mutual benefit for our safe refuge.”

It works both ways. Governments are bending over backwards to silence opposition to Israel, and that means abandoning the rule of law and supressing free speech. The rot was there, but the open corruption and the sheer quantity of lies puts it into overdrive. If not for Israel, Trump would not have been reelected.

Social rot causing systematic rot causing social rot?

Idk. Seems like this was occurring in 2012 too.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-188596/

no they were spot on. it just takes a while for the change to take effect in the outside world.

When the US starts being the primary funder of them.

Talk about them nobody stopping you bt you don’t care you just need a way to deflect from the current topic and genocide

It’s their little pet conflict, they don’t care about anything else and arguably don’t really care about gaza or palestine. Most probably don’t even know the difference between the two.

If you call out obvious iranian propaganda or do so much as hinting at “using women and children as human shields is bad”, you are a zionist, genocide-apologist, blahblahblah.

Calling out antisemitism, especially within the self-proclaimed political left, is another sure way to get some ad hominem insults and/or threats.

That being said, your comment is still a straw man.

I would say the big distinction between Ukraine and Gaza is that in Ukraine there has been a meaningful (and enormously lucrative) project to arm locals in opposition to Russian invasion. It’s been of dubious success, given how much territory they still lost. But its difficult to say that the Biden Era government (or even Trump Term 1) wasn’t willing to shovel arms and mercenaries into Ukraine in an effort to cripple Russian advances.

In Gaza, the Israel blockade has gone virtually unchecked - outside of a few salvos from Yemen and some allegations of support from Iran and Hezbollah. Americans are supporting the genociders not the victims. There is no Gaza military left to repeal an invasion nor is there any appetite for a Hamas resistance to repeal IDF advances. At this point, it’s little more than a shooting gallery.

There’s a line of combat between Ukraine and Russia. There’s nothing in Gaza. Just Israelis and their private security contractors kettling and massacring neighborhood after neighborhood, then flagging bulldozers to knock down the houses when they’re done.

Because America successfully turned most of the Middle East into US puppet states. There’s a reason most of the region is ruled by autocratic regimes. The only Arabic-speaking country whose government is materially opposed to Israel now is Yemen.

This war is of course a huge tragedy, but as someone who sees gaza war as a local conflict borderline affecting few cities, I can’t help but chuckle how much lemmy ignores the largest country in the world waging war in Europe and only escalating by every month, while western countries can’t seem to keep up in production. It’s Russia who will break the world, not some conflict in middle east.

EDIT: The average lemmy user claiming that russia is incapable of doing anything goes to show that you really should disregard what the average lemmy user says and rather read what experts and researchers say. The downvotes on this comment is a clear proof only few truly know what’s going on right now. I would not even be surprised if the recent US weapon callback is related to this. I’m not exagggareting when I say that Russia is outproducing entire NATO in 2025. The EU just yesterday lifted debt limit to 17 countries purely to allow going into debt to raise defence spending across the EU (something that bankrupted soviets). Russia has changed it’s stance on peace terms, so that goes out the window too. Even they know they can now win this war.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-ammunition-production-nato-mark-rutte-2025-6