Just following on from this: https://lemmy.nz/post/1134134

Ex-Tesla employee reveals shocking details on worker conditions: ‘You get fired on the spot.’

I’m curious about how far this goes.

You can’t get fired on the spot in NZ, unless you like, shot someone or set the building on fire or something really bad.

But it seems that in the US, there’s little to no protections for employees when their bosses are dickheads?

Also, any personal stories of getting fired on the spot?

  • Morcyphr@lemmy.oneEnglish
    1·
    1 year ago

    That’s not what “at-will employment” means. It’s an agreement between employer and employer that they agree to employment, and they both have the right to terminate for any or no reason. I have fired employees and been fired myself by employers based on this. Why use “false pretenses " when you don’t have to. “You’re fired.” 'Why?” “Because you are.” End of story.

      • Morcyphr@lemmy.oneEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        What? My dad was in law enforcement, kinda. I work in facilities maintenance, not remotely inherited. But whatever you want to tell yourself.

        Did you read the part where I was also fired from jobs and it was no big deal? Why wouldn’t I need to fight it? Not everything and everyone is evil bigot sexist racist corporate. Sometimes employees need to be terminated for reasons beyond what exists in your preprogrammed little mind. Protected class terminations is not what we’re discussing here. Take your soap box elsewhere. And have a nice day.

          • Morcyphr@lemmy.oneEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            Wow. I hope you feel better about yourself. Clearly you need it. I have no interest in continu ing this. You are wrong about me on almost every count but I’m not interested in justifying myself to you. Go back to reddit/Twitter, please.

    • Sinonatrix [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      12·
      1 year ago

      The problem is you legally don’t have the right to “terminate for any reason” when it comes to a number of protected classes, but these laws make it so we have to rely on you being stupid enough to create a massive trail of evidence (easy part with small business tyrants), but also litigate it for potentially years on end - harder

      • Morcyphr@lemmy.oneEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        You’re wrong. Employers do have the right to terminate members of a protected class as long as it’s not because they are a protected class.

          • Morcyphr@lemmy.oneEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            I fired someone in a protected class maybe a year ago. They were, by their own admission incompetent. They were also falsifying their time card. All documented. I’ve done the same with a straight white guy. Is that my prejudice?

            Look, I know it happens wrongfully. But don’t accuse me of shit that you have no basis for. It detracts from your whole argument.

    • flan [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      and they both have the right to terminate for any or no reason

      except there’s a bit of a power dynamic here isn’t there

      • Morcyphr@lemmy.oneEnglish
        1·
        1 year ago

        There doesn’t have to be. I don’t see or treat it that way. Yes, my employer has power over me (I’m not a business owner). As do I over them, to an extent. But it doesn’t have to be an adversarial relationship.

          • Morcyphr@lemmy.oneEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            You’re delusional. Your quote is not remotely what I said. That’s disingenuous, at best. Idgaf what the rest of the thread says. Many people can group together and be wrong; it’s fairly common. Again, I do not own a small business or any other form of business. You are utterly clueless in this conversation. You seem like a troll and will be treated as such.