German goals to cut greenhouse emissions by 65% by 2030 are likely to be missed, meaning a longer-term net zero by a 2045 target is also in doubt, reports by government climate advisers and the Federal Environment Agency (UBA) show.
Degrowth is a dangerous ideology. For those living in rich countries, degrowth might just mean austerity, for those living in middle and lower income countries, degrowth is going to mean destitution and certain death for x percentage of the population.
I disagree for many of the reasons I’ve already explained on responses to this comment. The climate science community also disagrees based on a consensus of studies. After becoming informed on the situation, degrowth is clearly the least dangerous ideology to pursue because it doesn’t further extend our overshoot. And that applies to all locations.
And how, exactly, do you expect to institute this proposal over the objections of the rich? Every previous attempt to do something like this, like the communist revolutions in Russia and China, ended up killing millions of people and accomplishing nothing of virtue, because the rich retained power and forcibly twisted the new post-revolution economy into something even worse than capitalism.
So, you propose that I live in a state of perpetual nausea from eating nothing but horrid-tasting, questionably-nutritious, plant-based “food” instead of actual food, and then die in the apocalypse anyway? No thanks. Civilization is done for, living in it is miserable enough already, and I am not interested in sacrificing what few shreds of happiness remain in order to accomplish basically nothing.
The only way to avert the coming disaster is decisive, mandatory action from the top of society on down, and that obviously isn’t going to happen, so the best I can realistically hope for is to live it up and be dead before it gets really ugly.
But I still do what I asked of others: I reduce my footprint
Not as much as you could. You still live in shelter, use electricity, exhale carbon, eat carbon-absorbing plants, and excrete methane. Humanity’s very existence is driving global warming. There is no escape.
support workers’ rights
running for office
working towards things like ending harmful subsidies
None of these things are going to happen. The rich will string you up by the toenails before they let you derail their gravy train, and your fellow proles will cheer as they do it. That’s why we’re doomed: powerful people are enforcing our doom, and everyone else worships them.
You should realize that you’re preaching to the choir. If you agree with my outlook on collapse, then why did you pop up to attack me? If you realize what is coming then you realize that our trajectory is the omnicide. Again, I can only imagine that you feel obligated to attack the countercultural in order to relieve discomfort from condoning the mainstream through projection. This whole conversation is a bit absurd to be honest.
You do you, and I’ll do me. I know I’m not making significant change. At best I might save a cactus species for another few decades - hardly a win in the big picture. But I feel fine about my life and that’s all I ask for. I hope you feel the same about yours.
If you want degrowth, you want to see billions dead, because that is what degrowth means.
That’s not true. Choosing degrowth prevents deaths, kicking the can until nature forces degrowth leads to more deaths.
Is this one of those projection things driven by a guilty conscience?
Degrowth is a dangerous ideology. For those living in rich countries, degrowth might just mean austerity, for those living in middle and lower income countries, degrowth is going to mean destitution and certain death for x percentage of the population.
I disagree for many of the reasons I’ve already explained on responses to this comment. The climate science community also disagrees based on a consensus of studies. After becoming informed on the situation, degrowth is clearly the least dangerous ideology to pursue because it doesn’t further extend our overshoot. And that applies to all locations.
Degrowth means job loss. Job loss means no income. No income means no food. No food means starvation.
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And how, exactly, do you expect to institute this proposal over the objections of the rich? Every previous attempt to do something like this, like the communist revolutions in Russia and China, ended up killing millions of people and accomplishing nothing of virtue, because the rich retained power and forcibly twisted the new post-revolution economy into something even worse than capitalism.
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So, you propose that I live in a state of perpetual nausea from eating nothing but horrid-tasting, questionably-nutritious, plant-based “food” instead of actual food, and then die in the apocalypse anyway? No thanks. Civilization is done for, living in it is miserable enough already, and I am not interested in sacrificing what few shreds of happiness remain in order to accomplish basically nothing.
The only way to avert the coming disaster is decisive, mandatory action from the top of society on down, and that obviously isn’t going to happen, so the best I can realistically hope for is to live it up and be dead before it gets really ugly.
Not as much as you could. You still live in shelter, use electricity, exhale carbon, eat carbon-absorbing plants, and excrete methane. Humanity’s very existence is driving global warming. There is no escape.
None of these things are going to happen. The rich will string you up by the toenails before they let you derail their gravy train, and your fellow proles will cheer as they do it. That’s why we’re doomed: powerful people are enforcing our doom, and everyone else worships them.
You should realize that you’re preaching to the choir. If you agree with my outlook on collapse, then why did you pop up to attack me? If you realize what is coming then you realize that our trajectory is the omnicide. Again, I can only imagine that you feel obligated to attack the countercultural in order to relieve discomfort from condoning the mainstream through projection. This whole conversation is a bit absurd to be honest.
You do you, and I’ll do me. I know I’m not making significant change. At best I might save a cactus species for another few decades - hardly a win in the big picture. But I feel fine about my life and that’s all I ask for. I hope you feel the same about yours.