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      30 is for built up areas. Also key is that jaywalking isn’t a thing in Britain. Pedestrians always have right of way and can cross the street at any point so in urban areas motorists must be prepared to stop at any time.

      There’s also a 10% grace where prosecutions under that are unusal. But the chances of survival being hit at 38mph are significantly lower than at 30, or even 33.

      The ban is for exceeding the penalty points on her licence. She had 9pts before this conviction, and speeding carries 6-8pts which has put her over the 12pt limit, which she accumulated over 3yrs so that’s a 6-month ban.

      After 6 months she will need to take her driving test again and reapply for her licence.

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        Just as this this guy says

        you dont get a ban for the first instance. This shows repeated offences. Lucky she has the money for a driver.

        I have little patience for serial speeders. Gripe all you like, but speed limits save lives.

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          Particularly in populated areas, slow the fuck down. Too many people could get hurt, go speed somewhere the people aren’t.

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          Oh yes you can, do 30mph over the speed limit and you will more than likely be banned for that one offence.

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        But the chances of survival being hit at 38mph are significantly lower than at 30, or even 33.

        I’ve been knocked down by a car doing 5mph. My head was embedded in the bonnet, bounced off it, and then I was on the road staring at the underside and tyre of a fortunately stopped car before my puny human brain could figure out what happened.

        Being hit, even at 5mph, is not something you’d want, let alone 38.

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        Pretty sure speeding in that range would net a fixed penalty of 3 points. Also, she would have had the first 3 points discounted via an awareness course. So, in effect this is likely the 5th offense, or less if one or more of the others was serious enough to get 6 points.

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        My idiot sister racked up nine points in six months after moving to the UK. She claimed not to have seen the 40mph sign she blew past at 50. “They’re so small!” She only started paying attention when she realised she was one ticket away from a ban.

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          To be fair, I struggled with the UK signs when I moved here from Sweden. Big yellow quite distinct, to smaller ones that pop less from the surroundings. Not an excuse as such, but I find it understandable.

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          If you don’t know what the speed limit is then just go at 30. That’s the slowest that any road will ever be unless it’s a suburban housing but then it’s pretty obvious.

          The 40 signs are small but they’re also repeated, you get it at the entrance of the 40 and then every couple of metres there’s another 40 for the entire distance, so if you miss one you’ll only be going at 30 for a while and then you’ll see another and it’ll tell you to go at 40.

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        In America, we give medals for that kind of gumption, not punish it

        /j (but only by the barest amount)

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      She already had nine points on her licence, so she’s a repeat offender, hence the book getting thrown at her.
      Conversely, this happened in Oxford, which is well known for being strict on drivers. She might have got away with it elsewhere.

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      I initially thought that. But the article makes it clear. But you need to know how our licenses work.

      Normally for speeding (up to 42mph in a 30) you would get as a first offense the choice of paying for a speed awareness course OR 3 points + fine, and 43-49mph you would get a fixed penalty of 3 points and a fine. Subsequent offenses would go straight to points + fine.

      However the points are important. Your points expire after 3 years. But if you have 12 active points at any time, you will then get a compulsory ban (unless you can prove to a court you need to drive, which is abused of course). Which is what likely happened here.

      So, she’s been quite the habitual offender.

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      You can go from a 40mph zone to a 30mph on the same stretch of road. But there are signs well in advance to indicate the speed change. It’s quite common for the rozzers to be ‘sat’ waiting in these spots to catch those that don’t slow down in time.

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        It’s common to get caught. It’s less common to get gmcaight lots of times. Particularly for someone who doesn’t drive a lot. Like wealthy people with drivers. She should sloelw down. Matthew Broderick too

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        There’s a road going out of Southampton that’s 40, and has a camera about 6m before the point where it becomes 50. The 50 signs seem more prominent than the camera. I’ve always thought that was a bit cunty.

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          There’s a road near me where because of idiots messing around with the road over the years they’ve ended up with a situation where the speed limit goes from 30 to 50 and yes they also have a camera just before the 50 sign but in fairness to the council I think it’s just a leftover from before the roads got messed around with.

          It used to be a 40 to a 50, but then they decided to build some housing on the stretch of road that was 40 and decrease the speed limit to 30.

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      How so? Its very clearly over the limit, its not like you can accidentally go around 30% over the limit. Plus don’t cars usually over report their speed slightly?

      The only surprise is that she was caught, so she probably does this all the time and this was just the time she was finally caught doing it.

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      The amount you are allowed to drive over the speed limit is in fact 0mph (0 km/h for us Europeans).

      Tolerance of violations of this is a sign of a deeply broken society

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        This is different in Germany but we learn about tolerance in driving school. Your speedometer can be wrong by about 10% and speed guns can also have errors. A good system accounts for unintentional speeding.

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        In the UK you’re allowed 10% (and I think +2mph) due to car speedo’s not being 100% accurate.

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          It’s actually not law, just custom. Most/all speedometers over estimate for this reason.

          The motorway cameras, near Birmingham have been known to issue tickets for doing 71mph.

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      It is. A lot of councils set limits arbitrarily low to frustrate drivers. It makes for easy pickings if you set up a speed camera or frequent the area with mobile speed traps.

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        I do. Driving 61 instead of 48 km/h increases your distance to stop at an emergency by almost 8m. This is assuming 300ms reaction time. By the time you would have stopped at 48km/h you would still be ramming whatever it is you’re emergency braking for with 40km/h 15km/h if you go 61km/h.

        Speeding is no joke, please read about how braking distance scales with speed. Especially if you go 50km/h in a 30 you’re spelling a death sentence for anyone and anything running into the streets. And no, “they shouldn’t run on the street” is not an argument, children and animals will always do unpredictable things, and being inattentive isn’t a reason to execute someone

        Edit: used km/h instead of m/s in my calculations

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        If she was caught doing 38mph in a 30, then her car was probably displaying 40 or 41mph as the speedo’s always report you going a higher speed than you’re going. So I’d say that’s pretty bad, especially when you’ve been caught several times before in such a short space of time.

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            I’d say 10 over on any 30mph zone is crazy. These are usually in built up areas so there’s no excuse for it.

            but there are many roads where 20 over is still fine.

            Can’t say I agree. National speed limit is either 60 or 70mph depending on the road and I wouldn’t want to do 20mph over on either.

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              There’s a road near where I live that is 35, it’s a two lane road both ways with a median, everyone regularly goes 45.

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            I would be wary of those roads. I’ve ran across several that seem like national, or 50 roads, yet limited a lot lower. Generally, there is a hidden danger on that stretch. The classic being a blind junction joining, or a school kicking out nearby. It won’t be obvious, unless you are familiar with the area.

            At the same time, i also know of a 30 limit on an otherwise national road. It’s along the stretch in front of a previous Mayer’s house.

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    Interesting the cultural difference here. People arguing in favor of, or at least the reasonableness of, the law and its application. Americans regularly speed, 20+ mph over the limit is not uncommon. People would lose their shit over a driving ban in the US, and probably keep driving anyway. DUI repeat offenders and suspended license drivers are pretty common.

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      and probably keep driving anyway

      In much of the US, the alternative is lose your job and become homeless, so.

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        I had my license suspended for 90 days - due to a paperwork error when I was in college. I just had hope I didnt get pulled over at that time because I had no choice but to drive for school and work.

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      Repeat offenders and unlicensed drivers happen here as well. But the use of cameras makes it much harder then the past.

      But having lived in the US. Most of it has so little public transport not driving is impossible. Here it is doable in all but the most remote areas. Just crap compared to the 80s and before. It is still way better the most cities in the US.

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        I wish we had better transit here. I hate driving but, as you said, have to because there’s no better solutions.

        Are pets allowed on public transit in the UK/Europe?

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            That’s nice! Here the transit rules say only in a carrier which doesn’t work with two 60lb. dogs. Even if the rules changed tomorrow the other riders would be mad if you did.

            The US doesn’t just have terrible public transit but there’s also terrible culture around the public transit we do have.

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    Thames valley police hate the car. I’ve been done a couple of times that way. 33 in a 30 for me last time, Really strict.

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        I suspect you might be telling on yourself here as someone who didn’t drive.

        People who go through car education and actually drive learn about system tolerances. Speedometers can be off by up to 10% and radar guns can be off by about the same.

        If you actually drive and use cruise control set to 30 and go up a hill to a level section of road, the cruise control will likely bring you up to 33 before it reacts the reduced power needs and brings you down to 30 again.

        Cars in real life are not exactly like they are in video games.

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          By law speedos must never under-read. If you are driving such a car, you are breaking the law.

          And your argument is balderdash. If there’s a tolerance with any machinery, a competent operator would factor that in.

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            That’s pretty much what they said, speedos over read. If your speedo is indicating slightly too fast, you’re probably sitting at the actual speed limit

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            I don’t own a car. I just maintain a drivers license for rare cases when I need to go to a place where public transport does not reach.

            I just went through the education and have the practical experience regarding driving.

            I don’t think this angry approach is the best way to go forward here. Action and advocacy will beat out internet anger all day.

            Advocate for and use public transport at you local level.

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      I think the point is that she can but she’s still arrogant and entitled enough to speed and get caught… and then speed and get caught again.

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        And again, and again. 1st time is 3 points or speed awareness course (why would anyone not do it), then assuming she didn’t accrue points in a different way (bald tyres etc) it’s 3 points for each subsequent speeding offense and you need 12 points for a 6 month ban. That’s 5 times caught speeding in 3 years.

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            Or caught on the phone while driving (6 points) and then speeding a few times as well. A few combinations but either way you only get banned from driving if you really deserve it.

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    But, but… come on you guys! She’s a feminist and speaks out for feminist rights. She can get away with anything and women feminists laud her! She’s great!

    They’re (un)surprisingly quiet in here though.