Its a shame because they’re prominent voice on lemmy. Good on the admins for not tolerating this. I don’t understand the point of targeting a person you don’t like on the internet just because they said something that upset you and spamming their post with downvotes. If you don’t like someone block their ass and be done with it. I agree with the perspective that its harassment (and an incredibly petty ineffective form of it at that)
He tends to get into a fight every single time I see him post and somebody says something that’s even slightly controversial, which results in an easily hundred long comment thread.
He’s more than willing to follow you around from thread to thread to and from community to community If he sees something on your profile he doesn’t like or he disagrees with your political opinions.
If this is a Lemmy, anarchist instance, full of a bunch of super lefties, they’re not gonna appreciate a Radlib coming in trying to start shit up and downvoting a bunch of people. They’re probably just gonna block him like they have.
I think the recommendation here is if you’re gonna downvote people, you probably want to just stick to downvoting people directly in the thread you’re engaging with and not go in that person’s profile and downvote every single thing they’ve ever done. Or claim that every single thing they’ve ever done is something you disagree with.
Unfortunately, he’s a prolific proster, and some of his stuff is funny 🤷
He’s more than willing to follow you around from thread to thread to and from community to community If he sees something on your profile he doesn’t like or he disagrees with your political opinions.
And when you call him out on it, he’ll make a new community to shame you for not liking him.
It’s really funny that I called him out for it, he said he doesn’t do it, and then make a community that got banned that’s all about doing it.
I went and browsed that community and it’s just full of gold.
He tends to get into a fight every single time I see him post and somebody says something that’s even slightly controversial, which results in an easily hundred long comment thread.
I dread to think of what you consider only ‘slightly controversial’.
He’s more than willing to follow you around from thread to thread to and from community to community If he sees something on your profile he doesn’t like or he disagrees with your political opinions.
lmao, what.
If this is a Lemmy, anarchist instance, full of a bunch of super lefties, they’re not gonna appreciate a Radlib coming in trying to start shit up and downvoting a bunch of people. They’re probably just gonna block him like they have.
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I’m literally a DemSoc, and I’m quite open about this. Sorry that I don’t fit your convenient stereotype for “Bad Poster”?
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They literally haven’t blocked me.
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If you count “disagreeing with someone without commenting” or, as accused elsewhere, “disagreeing with someone and commenting once when your name is mentioned” as “starting shit up”, I question what level of disagreement you think is appropriate.
I think the recommendation here is if you’re gonna downvote people, you probably want to just stick to downvoting people directly in the thread you’re engaging with and not go in that person’s profile and downvote every single thing they’ve ever done. Or claim that every single thing they’ve ever done is something you disagree with.
Again, as pointed out in our conversation, and, for that matter, by the admission of the person being discussed here as ‘harassed’, none of that is true.
But I guess backpedaling admission in order to peddle blatant falsehoods in a new comment chain is all you have at this point. You already backpedaled twice in that comment chain; gotta get a new thread out for exposure of repeating the same bullshit talking points, huh?
I don’t care, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the situation.
You don’t care, of course.
SocDem is not a marxist or an anarchist.
Liberal does not count as a lefty. I’d much rather deal with anarchist comrades than liberal comrades.
Please keep posting that screenshot. If people actually read it, it does not say what you think it means.
No, I don’t care. I think you should go touch grass. I think this is fucking hilarious. I think you’re a whinger for having to go create your own community just to go whine about this.
Liberals can be lefties. They can’t be leftists.
PJ has claimed to be both an anarchist and a liberal when we were arguing, that’s why I blocked the guy, lying about his positions as a rhetorical tactic. Since I assume he’s the blocked guy swinging in the comments I also assume he’s now claiming to be a DemSoc, which is funny.
On the other hand, maybe he’s just figuring stuff out as he goes along like everyone else :)
He could be figuring stuff out but man they are abrasive.
He gonna grind through a ton of people before he figures anything out
SocDem is not a marxist or an anarchist.
DemSoc. Holy fucking shit. Literally read theory.
Please keep posting that screenshot. If people actually read it, it does not say what you think it means.
I’m not sure if you’re being disingenuous or if your literacy is legitimately at that level.
This crashout is fucking legendary, I’m really enjoying the back and forth between you and the dude who talks exactly like you, bucket guy. I’m not saying your the same person or anything, it’s just amazing another one of you exists!
I mean, I was getting attacked by him earlier, but it seems that Philip isn’t quite the same as Pug. He’ll step back occasionally and try to reach out to your better side.
PJ is basically just an attack dog.
Was reading things a little too fast, my dyslexia was getting me.
I think I’ve done okay so far.
What.
Chicken butt.
DemSoc is not Marxist and hasn’t been since before the fall of the USSR.
No, it’s just clear your comprehension isn’t where it actually needs to be and you didn’t read that screenshot carefully enough to see what it actually says.
I bet the whole reason you don’t read Marxist theories is because you literally don’t understand what they’re saying.
DemSoc also just bugs me as a label, all socialism is democratic. What DemSocs should really label themselves is reformist socialists, but because they can’t help but attack Marxists, they stick to cold war slander against AES by pretending reformist socialism is the only democratic form of socialism.
DemSoc also just bugs me as a label, all socialism is democratic.
Oh, so the Soviet Union wasn’t socialist, you agree, then? And neither is the PRC?
Nah, the PRC is democratic, and so was the USSR. Both are examples of socialism in the real world. I really don’t know what you’re trying to do here, I think you need to step away from the keyboard for a bit because you seem to have been here for hours now.
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I’ll never understand people who argue and fight beyond the initial disagreement. I mean, even that should be civil (though I’m often not when I feel attacked by someone misrepresenting my point). I’ve got way too little free time to try to chase someone around the internet.
Happy to be on Lemmy, though, where my interactions have been mostly positive. Sometimes it’s good to know when to sign off and take a break. Think I’ll get back to the show I was streaming.
I’ll never understand those that hate toxcisity to this degree
This the same guy that calls POC perspective of colonisation “melodramatic”.
I would love to read that context if you have it somewhere.
Based on the conversations I’ve had with him, it’s gotta be gold.
Upvoting just because it’s good to know this can happen.
So many people are thin skinned and have nothing better to do than to spend their OWN FREE TIME making other people less happy. Imagine instead of having fun or relaxing or playing a game or going outside or hanging with friends … you stomp on other people because they have a differing opinion or said something you didn’t like. This person should not be a mod. This person has a miserable life.
So many people are thin skinned and have nothing better to do than to spend their OWN FREE TIME making other people less happy. Imagine instead of having fun or relaxing or playing a game or going outside or hanging with friends … you stomp on other people because they have a differing opinion or said something you didn’t like.
Thank you! Yeah, I 100% agree with all of this.
This person should not be a mod. This person has a miserable life.
Wait… do you mean PugJesus, or the person that banned him? I was 100% on board when I interpreted it as “the person that banned him,” yes.
This thread seems 100% full of people steaming up fake drama as enthusiastically as they possibly can, while also, accusing PJ of stirring up drama and apparently saying he should be banned for it.
This thread seems 100% full of people steaming up fake drama as enthusiastically as they possibly can, while also, accusing PJ of stirring up drama and apparently saying he should be banned for it.
You mean his documented actions and the consequences for his actions?
Pig is currently on a week long temper tantrum. He’s currently being a massive asshole to people. Ask me how I know.
Also weird how you’re not responding to the people who’ve proven you wrong here.
I saw that comment of yours about me not replying before, I just stopped caring before I was able to track it down since Piefed doesn’t have very good thread-navigation ability in big threads yet.
I was wrong about PugJesus being drama-free. It seems like some aggressively wrong people have baited him into extensive slap-fights about politics, and he may even have moderated some people from time to time about it. I said as much, the instant someone pointed it out to me, and then I moved on.
I don’t think him caring about politics is a sin, whichever side he’s on.
Was there anything else I was proven wrong about? If you want to bring it up, I’d be happy to address it.
Clearly you have no problem replying to other people, so it’s just odd you didn’t reply to others.
And no, pug just does that. Unless you’re just blind to his comments. Like how you said you’re unaware of him modding any communities while you’re active in the ones he moderates.
I don’t think him caring about politics is a sin, whichever side he’s on.
It’s not, it’s how he does it. You can adovate for good things but do it in such a way that no one wants to fight by your side.
Was there anything else I was proven wrong about? If you want to bring it up, I’d be happy to address it.
Oh just the admins who have replied and not gotta anything back.
My guy lol
If you want me to answer something you think I skipped over answering, ask it. If you’re just here to reiterate your perception of reality to me, I think I’ve had my fill of the duck season / rabbit season game for today.
Edit: Wait, are you talking about unruffled’s message to me? I ignored it because it was shouty and there wasn’t much to actually respond to, and PJ already had stepped in and answered it and I was happy to let the two of them duke it out if they really wanted to. Was there some kind of question in it that you wanted me to respond to? Like I say, I think the “it’s this way!” “no, it’s this other way!” back and forth would be of limited usefulness even if both sides of it hadn’t had an extensive airing in this comments thread at this point.
How is it shouty? No caps just a rebuttal to your claims.
But hey, just keep digging your grave. You seem so cool and rational, siding with the abusers and not the abused.
It’s just a wild coincidence that you don’t respond to those who prove your wrong.
If you want me to answer something you think I skipped over answering, ask it. If you’re just here to reiterate your perception of reality to me, I think I’ve had my fill of the duck season / rabbit season game for today.
It’s not, it’s how he does it. You can adovate for good things but do it in such a way that no one wants to fight by your side.
Like by spending 7 months falsely calling someone else a transphobe and Zionist? Or maybe, like some of your comrades here, one of your admins included, denying sexual assault verified by the UN?
Oh, but I’m the REAL villain here for downvoting you. That’s the real crime.
As I pointed out, the claims of harassment are untrue (unless downvoting comments one genuinely disagrees with is harassment), and the commenter in question has a long history of obsessing about me, in a negative way.
Seven months of obsessing about me, and that was just gleaned from a quick search of my name from their account.
I stated a fact. I don’t get into the drama and I don’t care about the details . There is way too much drama dragging us down from being supportive human beings and that shouldnt be happening. I’m not even looking at your images - just saying more or less we should get over it and agree to disagree. You may be right … .you may be crazy, I have no beef with anyone. Take a step back … maybe reach out and apologize and understand your adversary and see what happens. I too have been affected by making a comment on reddit and having someone downvote my every past comment. This behavior is bad though. I ( until I quit reddit ) used to help in a lot of the electrical and tech subs and there’s no reason to downvote something I said to help a guy fixing his washing machine 5 months ago that deserves a downvote because you don’t like my recent opinion on something unrelated. Lets all be adults and cool to our fellow humans.
just saying more or less we should get over it and agree to disagree.
I’m being accused of being a harasser, a transphobe, and a genocide supporter, and your response is that I should just… sit down, shut up, and agree to disagree?
Beg your fucking pardon?
this is the internet - it’s a social media site… I’m sorry it’s that serious for you but I’d say “fuck you mate and I disagree” and move on. Your real life is not being affected.
Huh I just got banned from that Community a few days ago cuz I got an argument with one of the mods on a completely different community. Wonder if it was the same guy.
edit I understand the mod in question has responded to this comment. But as I blocked him for repeated harassing private messages I’m not going to engage.
He goes out of his way to private message you? 😅
You were banned for mass-downvoting innocuous shit in comms for no reason other than that we’d gotten into an argument. I even tried to contact you to figure out if there was a reason you were downvoting swathes of historical artifacts with no apparent similarities, but you gave no response. So I gave you a ban, at which point you blew up and accused me of banning you for not liking a Braveheart meme.
But as I blocked him for repeated harassing private messages I’m not going to engage.
(It was more than four, across multiple comms, and they weren’t duplicates)
Unsurprising, that user is a power-poster and power-mod that constantly tries to shit-stir. Figured it was only a matter of time before something like this happened.
Bruh… cowbee talking about shit stirring… i only know we’re in a glass house cause you started throwing stones.
I pretty plainly admit to focusing on correcting misinterpretations of Marxism and Marxism-Leninism, I spend very little time power posting, and I don’t own and moderate drama communities. I also don’t downvote troll people, or stalk them and post about them on drama comms.
I’m certainly opinionated, and have my own political views I don’t shy away from, but I think it’s pretty clear that this is a fundamentally different situation.
Meh, like I guess, but honestly when someone lifts you out of the bucket of shit you’re stirring, the shape of you is obscured by the fact you are also covered in the shit you stirred along with this loser.
Don’t really follow, are you just saying that because I’m opinionated and like to talk about Marxism, I’m the same kind of shit-stirrer that constantly posts memes trying to provoke a response, and mods a bunch of drama communities specifically about snooping on people for screengrabs? I can’t say I agree.
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Okay? Strange behavior on your part, you might want to look into a mirror.
I’m in the glass house with you.
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Using lemvotes, I’ve noticed a pattern of at least 3 users downvoting 90℅ of everything I post and I just want to say: If you don’t like me, block me. But I know at least one of those users is a drama creating bully with accounts on seemingly every single instance. Surprised they don’t use all their accounts to downvote. I guess then it would be too obvious. 🤷♂️
I think I will be blocking db0 after all.
What are the accounts? You can bring it up our admins and they’ll take care of it.
Edit: All I did was ask to help them?
Edit: and they downvoted me wanting to help them, ironic.
I am not sure it is really an instance specific phenomena. I have two or three users who do the same to me. One of them appears to be a german user I have never interacted with on Lemmy in any capacity that I know of. It’s just internet things.
this JOKER made a community to WHINE about their Ls
edit because i forgot to post the LINK!
And it got banned by the admin so he made a new one on lemmy.world! Holy shit he’s just refusing to consider he’s being weird.
Holy shit this is hilarious, my God. Terminally online behaviour.
Deeply unserious behavior.
“nEoLiBeRaLiSm WoN”
Hey yacht boy, what are you doing hanging out with us tankies?
“nEoLiBeRaLiSm WoN”
Hey yacht boy, what are you doing hanging out with us tankies?
… what.
Lmao I thought you were joking for a second
Shout out to PJ who embodies the “fuck you, I will NEVER stop posting” mentality
Doesn’t dbzer0 literally have a ‘disengage’ rule because the default experience there is "“fuck you, I will NEVER stop posting”?
That is the experience on most of the instances
I didn’t “spam their post with downvotes”, but the dbzer0 admins love to asspat the commenter in question who is utterly obsessed with me, and especially with lying about me:
Seven months of accusing me of bizarre things like being a transphobe and an Israel defender.
That’s not even including removed comments mentioning me or the times I’ve been referred to without using ‘Pug’.
ESH
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Dbzer0 mods temp banned me for trolling recently. I was actually taken aback because on Reddit my sarcasm would be pretty mild. Can’t argue with the premise, glad our mods are trying to make Lemmy less toxic and I learned a valuable lesson actually. Just disengage and move on.
I wasn’t banned for any comments, though. I was banned because, apparently, it’s unlawful to downvote comments you disagree with if it’s a commenter the dbzer0 admins like.
Yes, mass downvoting things for no reason is different from downvoting things you disagree with. If you go down a page and downvote every artifact there, and then illustrations, and then ruins, at some point it becomes apparent that it’s not because of a very eclectic and specific aesthetic preference. I’m sorry if that’s too complex for you to understand.
I mean, if you’re downvoting everybody’s page, and claiming that you just disagree with everything they post, then yeah, I can see why they would ban you.
Unfortunately for you, you’re not exactlu sunshine and rainbows, so I can imagine people aren’t exactly willing to just take you at your word.
I don’t care, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the situation.
I mean, if you’re downvoting everybody’s page, and claiming that you just disagree with everything they post, then yeah, I can see why they would ban you.
Except it wasn’t everything they posted, even by their own admission, in this very comment thread, no less:
His account of my behavior is not correct, nor are his bizarre claims of what I said, but he admits that I didn’t just blanket downvote.
Unfortunately for you, you’re not exactlu sunshine and rainbows, so I can imagine people aren’t exactly willing to just take you at your word.
That’s legitimate.
I don’t care, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the situation.
But as pointed out, the two situations are different - including by the account of the ‘harassed’ user I’m being accused of victimizing.
I kinda think you made your own bed.
Edit:
Following someone from community to community to downvote, things that you disagree with personally, is an abuse of the vote system, and an abuse of the community system, I think he was absolutely right in blocking you.
Let this be a lesson. Downvote people in the threads that you’re participating in and in the communities you belong to, and stay out of the communities you don’t.
I kinda think you made your own bed.
I apologize for the crime of downvoting comments that I disagree with. I’m sure this is from a place of utter detachment, ‘just pointing out the hypocrisy’ of something you can no longer claim to be hypocrisy. Now it’s just a generic “You deserved it”, lmao.
While I think lemmy is great compared to reddit I still don’t like the whole upvote and downvote system. As it’s mostly based on people who agree with something and they will downvote you if they disagree with you. There should just be commends and replies to comments imo. At least downvoted posts don’t get hidden from view I guess.
I disagree with you. I’d never want to go back to the old defaults in forums, of un-threaded conversations where every comment is equal (and generally sorted by timestamp). Some comments are just better than others, and a user interface should prioritize the better comments.
Comments that are interesting, funny, or informative can be read by more people when they’re shown earlier in the page.
Comments that are rude, factually incorrect, off topic, etc., can be de-emphasized in the user interface, even if they don’t technically break any rules. I’d rather it be a community driven decision than a mod-driven decision of the harsh consequences of comment removal or user ban.
The key is to find a community whose collective opinions you respect. Crowds may not be perfect, but they’re generally better than individual mods.
And a naive “newest first” sort algorithm just prioritizes frequent posters and incentivizes “bumping” threads, which also detracts from the overall quality of a forum.
All it really does is prioritize herd mentality though, like if you don’t think like the others then you get downvoted and your comment hidden. I think this is just bad and was the main thing I hated about reddit.
The key is to find a community whose collective opinions you respect. Crowds may not be perfect, but they’re generally better than individual mods.
Agree with most of this with the * that you don’t need to respect the communities collective opinions in every way. Sometimes its okay to think different, know you’re saying something many won’t like out of sheer difference in principle, and post it anyways. Its okay to be downvote bombed and shuffled down the viewing priority as long as you aren’t being outright censored in scummy ways. I feel genuinely bad for actual adults with such thin skin and need for internet community validation who get salty at a bad ratio of up arrows to down arrows to the point of reflexively editing their comment to talk down to strawmen.
I’ve been on lemmy a few years now even though I genuinely do not like a lot of the communities prefered topics and conversational archetypes, because I feel respected enough as a user to say and post what i’d like within the bounds of community rules without getting shadowbanned for talking about the wrong thing or having 15 automods tell me im not allowed to post a meme without 15 upvote points. Its a decently struck balance.
Why does this matter? If I disagree and dislike something, why not give me a “don’t like that” button?
You can just say it instead.
I disagree and do not like your comment.
Because they’re awful methods of communication that lead to bad community feel? Seems straight forward to me.
Why do you feel that way? Seems like a fair way to contribute to a discussion without adding an entire comment to barely add anything.
Yeah, disagreements should not be buried.
(Upvoted because I agree with you 😅)
It’s a rite of passage these days. Blahaj and DB0 are full of couch revolutionaries throwing bans like molotovs.
“I defeated the patriarchy today!”
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What does this even mean? Should we not ban people who are disturbing and rude?
Answer the question.
They get a chance to be? 196 banned me from their Matrix channel just for being a straight person. I didn’t even have a discussion with them. It was “oh, you’re not trans? Bye!”, instantly.
admin clicks on my account
“Oh, we already banned him… huh… fuck, is he right?!”
I was banned from their lemmy instance for criticizing blahaj about a month ago, I never even had a back and forth with a user on their instance. Some admin said “seeya never, then!” and banned me indirectly from a comment on another instance.
I’m on the 196 matrix and straight, never had any issue
Congratulations
Gonna need a big [citation needed] on that one.
Especially the single db0 user who downvoted your comment. Every single valid critique of the instance, there they are.
Edit: lol do you think your brand new 8 hour old account isn’t super obviously an alt engaging in vote manipulation? I have no life to speak of, but I take solace in knowing there are much bigger losers in the world.
Clearly this a valid argument and critique and not at all intentionally made abtract for humor, you’re right.
Edit: for a guy who’s mad about people using downvotes on accounts, you love downvoting my account. Pot calling the kettle black.
edit 2: i wouldnt be caught dead using flat.world, too much bigotry even for an alt. id rather make a second db0 account than use transphobia.world. At least I’m not the kind of person who religiously checks my posts every hour.
