Apple to Limit iPhone 15 USB-C Cables to USB 2.0 Speeds: Report::undefined

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    The reason is that like with the iPhone 14, in the non-Pro models they put the SoC from the previous year’s Pro model, and that one was only designed for Lightning so only USB 2.0. So the non-Pro will get USB 3 once the USB 3-supporting SoC trickles down from the Pro.

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    TFW a wifi transfer literally loads files from your phone faster than a fucking cable.

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        There has to be a USB-C. Some people will always want wires to transfer data, even if it’s through their “wireless charger”, which is proprietary.

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            The difference with wireless listening vs. charging is that the former doesn’t need close to 2x the power of the cable-bound method and doesn’t destroy the phone’s battery in the process, unlike the latter

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              Wireless listening absolutely needs more than 2x the power of wired listening. It also needs charging an entire other device. You’re right that it doesn’t affect the phone battery, though I don’t think wireless charging “destroys” it.

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                It warms it up, and you’re not going to get the absolute maximum battery life out of it if you’re wireless, but the impact usually isn’t that big, unless you’re really cooking it. Using the standard fast charger that comes with your phone is probably going to put about as much, if not more wear than a. 10W wireless charger.

                You’re not meant to wirelessly charge it by sticking it in the microwave.

                Wireless listening absolutely needs more than 2x the power of wired listening. It also needs charging an entire other device

                It might be more than that. A wired headset is incredibly simple, unless you’re running a ridiculous amplifier through it. It’s just two speakers, maybe a microphone and button if it’s a mobile headset.

                By comparison, wireless listening would usually need the audio encoder/decoder chips, the Bluetooth receiver/transmitter, the processors for the pairing/controls/noise cancellation, and the speakers on top of that. That’s not a small amount of componentry.

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                I’ve tried using wireless charging in a friend’s car on my iPhone SE a few weeks back.

                Result: notification that charging had (!) to be stopped at around 50% due to overheating and was poised to continue once the iPhone had cooled down sufficiently. It never continued as that was all I needed to know about the current state of wireless charging with light usage on the side.

                Good point on the wireless listening and ear pieces needing a battery as well, though. I guess with those it comes down to convenience for most buyers.

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            I can’t imagine Europe wouldn’t lose their shit if Apple removed it entirely. And if Android manufacturers did that consumers would also promptly lose their shit.

            Beyond the consumer, having a physical port is beneficial to Apple. Businesses use attached devices (e.g. barcode scanners, DSLR camera attachments, charging stations) all the time. It’s more common on Android phones, but I do see iPhones using these sorts of things. My local movie theater uses iPhones to scan tickets with an attached Lightning scanner, for example.

            I don’t disagree that wireless charging is more convenient, but from the standpoint of being in emergency situations where a cable is needed to charge your phone, it wouldn’t be easily possible if the port is removed. People might carry around charging bricks, and while wireless charging bricks do exist they’re not commonplace and they’re certainly slower than charging by wire. I can tell you nobody will want to carry around a portable wireless charger, although MagSafe is almost already just that.

            Playing devil’s advocate, it’s possible Apple does want things like portable wireless chargers to proliferate, like the one you can buy that slap onto the back of your phone. It means you’re buying more of their shit, which is something they seem to love so much. It would mean you’re buying MagSafe chargers or whatever proprietary crap they manufacture. I still do see it becoming an issue in emergency situations though, e.g. teens (a large user base of iPhones) use their phones a lot and borrow chargers from each other all the time.

            Impossible? No. Unlikely? Yes, for now.

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          Some people will always want wires to transfer data,

          But that group of people is growing smaller and smaller with each year. I haven’t used a phone cable to transfer files once in the last 8 years. Phones just sync to cloud.

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            Same. I think the last time I used a cable to transfer data onto my phone was iTunes syncing my iPhone 5s music. Once I moved to Spotify I never needed to sync again.

            It’s not the use case of everyone, but I’d bet the majority of iPhone users haven’t used a data transfer in years

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            I mean yeah I barely use cables to transfer data, but there are times I need to plug it in to back up files. The Pixel 7 Pro is also a bar of soap and slides off of my wireless charger, so it’s more reliable for me to use a USB-C cable. I also like having the phone next to me in bed, and so I use a USB-C cable.

            It just seems odd to remove something that is so reliable, even if only to have as a backup method. It would only make sense to remove it if wireless chargers are the dominant form of charging devices, especially in a portable manner.

            Having a port also enables things like game controllers and wired headphones, if the user chooses to do something like that.

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              About the sliding phone, Apple has proposed a magnetic solution to that.

              Haven’t tried it, but seems to solve that specific issue.

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                In this case I just have a case on my phone which stops it from sliding. But generally I do like having phones without cases on them.

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            I suspect cables are used more on Android because its filesystem is open so you can basically use an Android as a flash drive, which is very convenient at times.

            Also since Androids in general have a way faster wired connection, it’s more likely to be used for that.

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              Unlike iOS, Android also doesn’t have a way to easily transfer files over WiFi by default.

              Whereas if you’re embedded in the Apple ecosystem, you can airdrop something from your iPhone to your Mac straight out of the box (after getting set up).

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                You can install the share app on Windows for the same experience.

                I only use it for small files or photos. I use a cable for bigger files like movies or whatever, since it’s much faster.

                Using a cable with Android is also very easy since you don’t need any apps or anything. You just have to click a notification and set the USB mode to “file transfer” from “charge only”, after that it just works on pretty much every device. Fast USB ports are also useful because you can connect accessories to your phone like gigabit ethernet, and especially flash drives.

                I suspect iPhone users very rarely if ever, transfer big files since the iOS file system is so locked down. The only big thing I can imagine that they would need to transfer is filmed 4k video.

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      USB 3.0 is way faster than WiFi and some phones even gave 3.1

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          Yes, I know that,

          The comment above implied that faster USB support isn’t needed because WiFi is faster anyways (obviously wrong).

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            I don’t think they intended to imply that faster USB support _isn’t needed _, but rather they are making a mockery of how absolutely absurd this reality is.

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      I dont know anyone who transfers anything besides power to the iphone via cable. What are you guys doing? Syncing it with itunes?

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        Apple car play would be a bitch if I don’t have a port since it doesn’t have wireless carplay. And my car is a 2023

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            They just said that a wired port is needed which apparently needs to be said because there are so many that thinks that portless is a good idea.

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        Well if you don’t want to subscribe to iCloud, how can you do it except with iTunes?

        To be honest I’d really want to be able to create an image of my iPhone and back it up on my kdrive (a cloud storage service).

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        This was my thought exactly. I would sooner transfer over Wi-Fi than cable. This is a charging port to me.

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          It would actually be a lot safer if the charging port was only able to supply power. People plug their shit into random cables all the time and it’s been a vector for compromise.

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            That’s a good point though the port is also needed to pair an iPhone or iPad to a Mac/PC (the famous ‘Trust This Device’ screen can only be triggered if a device tries to access the phones data via USB) which is required to do any backups / music or picture syncs in the first place. ,nd it’s also necessary if youre a developer as - even at USB2.0 speeds that people complain about here - it is still faster to test and debug applications than via wireless.

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    Apple fanboys drooling over the company as it continues to shit on them.

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      I doubt your typical apple user will use the usb port for anything other than charging.

      If they are going to improve transfer speeds it’s not going to happen in the same iteration they’re being made to switch to usb c for two reasons:

      1. They want to incetivise users to upgrade to a newer model 16
      2. They will want to take credit for faster speeds. Otherwise people will think usb c is just faster than lighting they were stuck with for years.
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        Apple is very good at price discrimination. I hey know if they can build a slightly cheaper phone by reusing the SoC from the older lightning version, and 99% of iPhone users won’t care (for whatever reason) they then know that the 1% that does care will spend a little bit more on the Pro model. And they do that with few different features, which ends up with the Pro models selling a significant number of units.

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    ITT people pretending this is a spite based move, when realistically it is probably cutting costs by reusing the same hardware they used for lightning ports just soldering on a USB-C port instead of a lightning one.

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        Are you trying to suggest the company that invented rounded corners isn’t innovative enough?!

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        I mean, it’s not like it matters much. Most of apple devices actually expected to transfer data over wire are on thunderbolt already aren’t they? Frankly I’m a little surprised they switched to C on 15 already, iirc they could have still released this cycle on lightning according to EU regulation (I think it only comes in effect end of 2024, right?) It comes to me as no surprise that they use up the controllers they had for lightning before they roll out thunderbolt. It will probably be 2.0 for base and thunderbolt for pro this cycle and likely thunderbolt for all next cycle. That would be the apple m/o.

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      dude usb 3.0 is 15 years old by now, and they’re a trillion dollar company. They’ll manage, this is 100% by choice

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      The SoC lacks the hardware. Even the USB C iPads with A series chips operate at 2.0 speeds. They can only do 5Gbit in host mode, like with an external SSD. Plugged in to a computer they are 2.0.

      I would imagine future chips will have the capability, once the Pro chips trickle down to the base models.

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        Yea, well, there you go. Pretty much straight up supports my original claim. If they need to full on change the SoC why in the hell would they fork up to support thunderbolt on iphones.

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          Thunderbolt seems excessive for most, but 3.0 would be welcome.

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      You think this more likely than just creating a bigger artificial difference between the standard and normal model?

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        I think that is most likely a lot of what drives that divide, but this almost certainly the case for the port. Some shit undoubtedly is software locked, and that is in fact scummy, but new hardware will always be more expensive than hardware you have already designed and maybe even have lying around.

        To get thunderbolt in there they probably need a new board specifically for the iphone, while they can just cram in the lightning version with a new solder job and call it a day.

        At the end of the day 95+% of the people who will use their phones will only use the port for charging anyway.

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          Well we don’t know yet what port the pro model we have, so once we do, we’ll know whether it’s just scummy behavior once again, or if Apple decided to use low to midrange hardware on all their models

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            Someone else commented that the SoC literally lacks the capability to run above 2.0. If this is the case it would be very hard to call this even scummy adjacent.

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      by reusing the same hardware

      I’m sure their engineers are competent enough to repurpose she iPad Pro’s TB4 hardware.

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        Two factors. Do they still have lightning hardware sitting on shelves? Do they need to design to fit the iphone form factor? If the answer is yes to either of these, designing for TB this release cycle seems non-sensical when most people only use the cable to charge their phones.

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      That, and also, how many iPhone users do you think will actually notice slower USB speeds? One percent? They literally do not need 3.0 to keep their customers happy. And they’re not going to poach many Android fanboys with this change, so who cares?

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        I’m with you, people use the cable for power, it’s pretty rare to use them for data transfers. He’ll moving to a new phone is all wireless, just set them next to each other.

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        I’m going over… that’s literally all I needed from them. Consumer choice is all lesser evils atm.

        RIP Firefox phone and Samsung Pure.

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      I believe it’s both. Apple said that they’d be compliant with the EU regulations of having usb-c as a port for any cell phone with a charging port. I don’t remember the exact wording, but a valid interpretation was that usb-c is not required if the device has no charging port. I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection. Reducing the capability of wired connections would in that case just be a way to move the users towards the planned infrastructure.

      So it’s both a spiteful move regarding the regulations, but also a move which reduces costs and pushes users their desired way.

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    They are going to limit it to USB 2.0 speeds so in 3 or 4 years they can declare some new magical advancement and bump it up to full 3.0 speeds.

    Apple purposefully limits things so that they have something to announce in the future. They aren’t dumb. They know the advancements in smartphones has been starting to slow down. So they meter out the advances over many years in incremental updates to give their customers a reason to upgrade.

    You will hear something like this from every reviewer after an Apple event: “The changes were small, but taken together the new insert product name here might be well worth the upgrade price.”

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    In other news: company with long history of selling over-priced, under featured products to aspirational nitwits does it again!

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    ITT: people who don’t realize that most USB-C cables are USB 2.0

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      Which is fine, I have a full speed USBC cable and it’s a thicc boi that I certainly wouldn’t want to shove in my pocket all the time and the 2.0 speed ones still charge my laptop even. But Apple is limiting the PORT, not the cable, which isn’t cool.

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        Because they are probably using the same controller, just rewired to usbc, there are videos of this modification being done aftermarket.

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        They can’t limit the cables, they don’t even come with the phone anymore

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          They still come with cables, just not bricks. That’s pretty much across the board on all phone manufacturers unfortunately.

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            And other “small” devices… hell even my toothbrush came with only a charging cable,… with an usb-a port,… and no brick…. FUCK YOU PHILIPS!!! What the F!!!

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      This is irrelevant.

      We’re talking about smartphones here, and most new Android phones support > 3.0.

      Limiting a flagship phone in 2023 to USB 2.0 transfer and charging speeds is a cheapskate move.

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        The article only really has facts about the 2.0 cable, anything said about the device is speculated.

        The entire article is literally based on a tweet where someone tested the cable. The title of the article and of this Lemmy post references that.

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        IIRC current iphones with lightning connector are still using USB 2.0 and only ipad pro actually has USB 3. I could be wrong though.

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        most new Android phones support > 3.0

        Where do you find that information? Do you know of a reviewer that benchmarks the USB transfer rate of Android phones?

        Edit: I found this: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-problem-usb-c-file-transfer-1075286/

        10.8GB / 480 Mbps = 180 seconds, and those phones are all faster, so they must be using USB 3.x. In other words, iPhone 15 will have slower USB data than the Pixel 1.

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        Do you actually connect your phone for anything other than charging? Not trying to poke at you, I’m just honestly surprised this is a big issue for anyone really.

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      Sure but most USB-C Android devices can at least manage USB 3.0 speeds

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      There’s a difference between connector and protocol version. But they are all backwards compatible.

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      That likely includes most policy makers. They should have enforce color coding usb c cables instead of forcing the form factor.

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      Yeah I’ve ran into this problem a few times now. I use my Occulus Quest on my PC and it needs USB 3.2 cables. The meta branded ones are crazy expensive but I found a third party one for fairly cheap.

      I just got a Pixel 7 Pro and it needs a special powerblock to rapid charge. My Samsung block from my S10+ didn’t meet the requirements, I had to go back to the Essential Phones included charger. The USB-C port on my PC’s case is at normal speeds, but the port on the mono charges rapidly.

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        The official Meta/Oculus one is expensive because the data lines are fiber optic which allows it to be longer.

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    Yes, I can’t wait for them to launch the newest innovative tech of Type C for iPhone, which will offer more speed and better compatibility cause they are the good guys who swear they would protect your data and keep an eye on your photos too.

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      I have family who actually believes all of what you just said. The tribalism can get a bit much.

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        Once the brand becomes a core part of someone’s identity, the company can do no wrong and it’s extremely difficult to convince them otherwise. The level of willful ignorance is astonishing. We have a similar problem in American politics.

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          This will probably shock you to the core, but some of us can use and enjoy the company’s products for a wide variety of reasons, whilst continuing to be skeptical and not liking every one of their decisions.

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            Nuh uh!

            You like a thing I don’t! You’re a fanboy of that thing. Why else would you like it?

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            I tried to explain to my MIL once that iPhones contain mostly Samsung chips and Samsung displays just like most non-samsung Android phones because Samsung happens to be the best semiconductor manufacturer for phone parts. She paused to look at me like I had 3 heads and continued on about the unicorn farts and rainbow barf that makes her iPhone work.

            Not long after that she bragged about how good of a deal she got on the 3 year contract with the regional carrier who has the worst coverage for the $1k+ phone that costs her more in a single month than I pay for a year of prepaid phone service. She even tried to say we need to switch to the plan she’s on to save money…

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    How do apple fan boys keeps eating this shit-sandwich year after year?

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      Most people are totally lost in a sea of capitalistic greed and wealth indicators. If you don’t keep up with the Joneses, are you really alive?

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      Samsung doesn’t support USB 3 on several of their higher priced phones, either.

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      I wouldn’t describe myself as a fanboy, but here’s my reasons for continuing to use an iPhone and not moving to Android:

      1. I’ve been a Mac user for over 20 years. I’ve got a lot of Mac software that I use that have iOS only counterparts, and I’ve no interest in comparable software. The inertia of daily use software is a huge incentive for me.
      2. In the case of USB C vs Lightning or 2.0 vs. 3.v, I genuinely don’t use USB for file transfer to and from my phone. I may be a unicorn, but iCloud file sync and iCloud Photos have always worked reliably for me. Documents are on my iPhone, iPad, and Mac when I go looking for them. Photos and videos are there when I go looking for them. I don’t think I’ve plugged my iPhone into a computer (Mac or otherwise) in the last four years.
      3. I’ve charged on a QI charger for as long as I can remember (and a 3d printed MagSafe stand now). I have several lightning cables stashed away, but I actually loaned them out more than I use them. And my battery life is not a major concern for me. Since the iPhone X I’ve mostly managed all day battery life between my bedside and desktop chargers. And most days I use my phone lightly enough that I don’t need frequent charge ups.
      4. And the last bit: long term support. I hand down my devices about two years after getting them (in my immediate and extended family). I have family members with six year old iPhones who are still receiving software updates to the most recent OS. My iPhone X being used by my daughter won’t get iOS 17 this year, but it’s from 2017. And when I upgrade later this fall I’ll replace the battery in my 13 Pro, and hand it off to her. My son has an iPhone 12 that my wife handed down to him, last year. iPhones “wear” well.
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        I agree about the iPhones wearing well. Folks in my family pass down their iPhones too, but the ones with Android phones don’t seem to last. The lose support so quickly it’s not even funny.

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          Some Androids have extremely long support times, like the Fairphone. But as a general rule, yes, this is true. Unless you buy a Fairphone, or a model that is supported by Linage and root it, you’re losing software updates after just 2 years, which is insane.

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      They have convinced themselves it tastes better than a club sandwich.

      It never had to make sense.

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      What % of mobile users plug their phones into a computer to move files on/off them? I’m not even an iPhone user (I have a Pixel 6 Pro) and it’s probably been 5+ years since I last moved files over USB on my phone.

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          I’m guessing it saves them a few cents. I just don’t think most customers care so I can see why they’d want to save a little bit of money.

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        That’s the same excuse used when they removed the headphone jack and forced you to use bluetooth. I owned many a cell phones and they all had headphone jacks and bluetooth and both worked just fine. But then the headphone jack was removed and now you had to dish out cash for over priced devices that have a limited lifespan (those batteries aren’t going to last forever).

        I heard so many people say “well I never/rarely used the headphone jack” or “but I like bluetooth”. Fine, that’s nice, no reason to make it exclusive other than the company stands to make money off it. People gave up better audio quality and a plug that was more universal than the USB port… we’re not likely to get it back. No doubt Apple (because of course it’ll be Apple) will release a new proprietary cabled audio port that only works with their headphones.

        Apple is anti-consumer.

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          I usualy agree with this but here is a thing USB 2.0 is really not that slow. I higly doubt you need faster data transfers on a phone.

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          What are you transferring? Do you really think others are? Most people just use Google Photos or equivalent for photo back up and YouTube Music/Spotify/Apple Music/Amazon Music/etc.

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      Ads campaigns apple spends billions in, such has having their brand name on top of every community to boost their popularity and overshadow competitors

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      I haven’t transferred data over a usb cable in at least a decade. This means nothing to me.

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      it’s an identity. you might be surprised to see how often the apple logo is used on random things in countries where copyright doesn’t exist. like it’s a symbol of something really important.

      but I think the USB 2.0 thing is completely normal and this is a misleading headline

      edit: oh look im being le downvoteddit

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    Because of course they would sabotage their own product because of international standards that won’t let them nickel and dime their customers.

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    To the surprise of no one. However, EU is already on top of this. After this law was enacted they realized just how scummy Apple is, not sure how they managed to miss that especially considering they have to fine them and threaten with market ban if they didn’t uphold 2 year mandatory warranty consumer protection laws in EU guarantee.

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      On top of what exactly? The EU law doesn’t mandate certain transfer speeds.

      The only thing mandated is a USB-C port to charge the device, and afaik that the fastest charging speed needs to be obtainable via USB-PD. The latter was always the case with iPhones, even though the port was different. Other manufacturers are actually way worse offenders when it comes to charging protocols, but Apple it obviously the worst offender when it comes to charging ports.

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      Maybe EU is playing some 3D chess? Leave open the possibility of Apple being scummy then fine the shit out of them. Not sure how though.

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    What a messy article. The title says that the cables are limited to 2.0 speeds (which they might as well be), the subtitle mentions charging speed as opposed to transfer speed and the article itself then talks about the port on the device having 2.0 speeds (for non “Pro” models).

    Anyways, of course they gimp the base model on purpose. Every company does to set the more expensive models apart obviously, but Apple drives it to the extremes especially in recent years, which makes their line-up incredibly confusing. I mean they’ve gone out of their way to make their 10th gen base iPad use the old Apple Pencil, and they still don’t laminate the display even after they redesigned the exterior.

    If you want a new iPhone this fall and you’re looking for something in the price range of the standard iPhone 15 (which will still be a very expensive phone of course), I’d recommend looking for previous year’s “Pro” model. The iPhone 13 Pro dropped around the iPhone 14 price at launch, and it’s essentially better in almost every way.

    And because people will mention it: of course, you can also get a phone from a different manufacturer if it suits you, or keep your current phone.

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      Usb 2.0 is 23 years old now.

      There’s a line between “enhancing the pro model by shitting on everyone else” but like this is just disrespectful.

      But hey your money, spend that shit as stupidly as you want

      (3.0 came out 15 years ago for reference, it’ll be older than some kids getting the phone ffs)

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        but like this is just disrespectful.

        The word you’re looking for is “anti-consumer”

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        No, no it’s fucking not. How about you not base radical accusations on bullshit articles?

        https://www.macrumors.com/2023/08/24/iphone-15-usb-c-cable-usb2-transfer-speeds/

        According to leaker Majin Bu, who has previously shared details about Apple’s new cables, the USB-C cables supplied in iPhone 15 boxes are indeed limited to USB 2.0 data transfer speeds at a rate of 480 MBps, which is the same as Lightning.

        In contrast, rumors converge on both iPhone 15 Pro models supporting higher USB-C transfer speeds. According to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, the iPhone 15 Pro models will support “at least” USB 3.2 or Thunderbolt 3. For comparison, the iPad Pro features a Thunderbolt port for transfer speeds up to 40 Gbps, while the entry-level iPad’s USB-C port is limited to just 480 Mbps.

        And that is the crux of it. rumors

        Ah, but what am I saying?! Please, return to your circlejerk, I’ll not bother you with any more inconvenient facts