• Taco2112@lemmy.worldEnglish
    48·
    3 个月前

    Don’t forget investment in public transit like cable cars in that first panel.

  • Ulvain@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    223·
    3 个月前

    It’s not suburbanization and the automobile, it’s a political system based on money-for-access and lobbying, where whichever entity has more money always gradually gets laws and habits changed in a way that advantages them, inexorably.

    Large scale long term societal enshittification as a mathematically unavoidable by-product of unfettered capitalism.

    • mienshao@lemmy.worldEnglish
      111·
      3 个月前

      Both things can be true bro. Yes, it’s unfettered capitalism in the macro. In the micro, when it comes to how American cities have disintegrated, suburbanization and the automobile are two clear culprits.

      No offense, but this is a really obnoxious and unhelpful reply to a post about how suburban sprawl and car-centric infrastructure have really ruined life in the American City. Js.

  • Dasus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    3 个月前

    I’ve just binged “The Gilded Age”.

    The show starts in 1883 NYC. Follows high society. There is a lot of plot points about railways. I don’t know how’s far the show will go but it’s kinda depressing to see — even in acting — what great plans there were for a marvellous railroad network. Had that spirit been kept up instead of being destroyed by industry pushing private cars…

    Same assholes though, mostly. (JP Morgan features in the show, as do a bunch of other real life characters). Almost as if a society went after nothing more than money, it’d turn out kinda shit.

    • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      3 个月前

      You may want to watch Gangs of New York for a look at what it was like for the non-high society folks back then. Very rough!

      • Dasus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        3 个月前

        That’s a movie, and in both cases, it’s twenty years too old. Both as in it’s set 20 years earlier, during the American Civil War, and it was made more than 20 years ago.

        I saw it when it came out. It doesn’t check any of the boxes that I’m watching “the gilded age for”.

        As a suggestion this feels like if you saw me with a liquorice pipe and thought “hey, you might enjoy loose snus (or chewing tobacco).”

        Like… yeah, there’s a connection. But there’s also major differences.

        Gangs of New York is a great movie though.

        But for the itch I’m scratching, I’m now watching Belgravia. I don’t want to look at street crazies with razors hidden about their person — I’m watching shows for escapism from reality.

        So I’d rather watch people in circles where the worst offense ever is to have sex before being married.

        Got enough crazies living on my street challenging me to fights don’t need that in my shows.

        Edit also unless you want to admire the scenery and dresses, you can honestly pretty much just listen to these, unlike gangs of new york, which has action

  • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    3 个月前

    We didn’t have much of a choice when horses were crazy expensive. Once we got cars and phone lines, we realized there was seemingly unlimited space and natural resources, why not?

    The car companies sabotaging urban mass transit was what was fucked up.

    • PunnyName@lemmy.worldEnglish
      244·
      3 个月前

      No

      Also, unless you live literally in a cabin in the middle of fuck all nowhere, you exist in some form of a city. Just not a metropolitan one.

      • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        3 个月前

        “City” is doing some heavy lifting here. Not American? Or if so, have you not driven the rural highways?

        • PunnyName@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          3 个月前

          I’ve driven through 1 light towns in the past. A city of 3000 is still a city. Even 500 can benefit from trains, sidewalks, and bike lanes.

          • shalafi@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            3 个月前

            Our camp is next to a town of 900, but you don’t have to go far until neighbors are far between. How thin a density till it’s not a city?

            And yeah, I’d go out there far more if I could hop a train.

      • meyotch@slrpnk.netEnglish
        21·
        3 个月前

        So far! I yearn for us to try out Arcologies. They are basically just cities without sprawl. A man can dream…

    • Liz@midwest.socialEnglish
      2·
      3 个月前

      If you hate cities, you should be encouraging everyone to move to them so you can have more rural space to yourself, no?