I am a snowflake, but don’t forget
I wouldn’t take a bullet for the cheeto in chief. He can apparently take his own and heal unreasonably fast…
H-ha ha, g-good thing the country we founded would never crave a king again and put military forces in the streets to repress the civilian population…
I like how they have women in this painting as if they had rights back then. And no Africans? Lol propaganda on how things were back then is out of hand. Like our “founding fathers” they were not good men, nor were they moral men. Yes they did great things. But they are not too be idolized. Their sins still hunt us too this day.
Morality is constantly shifting, I’m not so sure about holding late 17th century figures to 21st century standards.
There’s plenty of stuff that you do today or did 10 years ago that, in 20-30 years, is probably going to leave you shocked.
Lots of media from the early 2000s that is now considered problematic, back then nobody batted an eye at calling something or someone “gay” or “retarded” and even those who participated in that behavior aren’t folks I would consider fundamentally bad or evil.
I like how they have a women in this painting as if they had rights back then. And no Africans? Lol propaganda on how things were back then is our of hand.
… I think you’re reading too much into the painting’s choice of crowd.
Like our “founding fathers” they were not good men, nor were they moral men. Yes they did great things. But they are not too be idolized. Their sins still hunt us too this day.
Agreed.
I thought we were an autonomous collective.
You’re fooling yourself, we’re living in a dictatorship…
If I said I was dictator because some moistened bint threw a scimitar at me - they’d put me away!
Help! I’m being oppressed! Come see the violence inherent in the system!
You sawr it, didn’t you!
DYK the right wing is called that because the King’s supporters sat on the right side of the king. Those that wanted more independent power sat on the left hand side.
It was the other way around.
The revolution was led by rich assholes whose only goal was growing their power and wealth.
Most societies are led by rich assholes whose primary goal is growing their power and wealth. Some, in world history, however, are worse than others. The issue of non-representation of American colonists in British parliament was an issue severe enough that it caused deep divides in Britain over the issue, and was a matter that created deep and genuine feeling in many parts of the American population - not just the rich - which led to the Revolutionary War.
- Unrest in Britain. That was caused by the crown being broke from the seven years war, and the resulting cuts and tax increases on their side. Mostly because both sides were broke because of the war in North America and the scale of the conflict in Europe.
- That was literally the rich propaganda. Most of the “intolerable acts” were things that were only going to affect the rich, not the common person. Also, Ben Franklin personally came up with some of the acts and was surprised by the pushback.
The deep issues, at their core:
- The rich colonialists owned all of the land, leaving none for everyone else. Through their ownership of the media, rich assholes like founding fathers Sam and John Adams astroturfed support for the revolution by forcing their papers to run fake articles/letters and paying gangs to riot.
- Housing troops was standard practice. what changed was that the prewar british commander was a corrupt moron who paid out instead of just enforcing the standard practice.
- The upper merchant class near-universally defrauded British backs with loan fraud. They would make a shell company, get a loan, shut down the shell company and run away with the money. The stamp act was going to prevent this.
- That the crown wanted to thank the natives who really won the war for the British by leaving them alone.
Crucible of War by Fred Anderson is a good place to start on this to undo the US propaganda.
Unrest in Britain. That was caused by the crown being broke from the seven years war, and the resulting cuts and tax increases on their side. Mostly because both sides were broke because of the war in North America and the scale of the conflict in Europe.
I am literally talking about British members of parliament conceding the point that non-representation of the colonists was a legitimate and legally indefensible grievance, not generic ‘unrest’.
That was literally the rich propaganda. Most of the “intolerable acts” were things that were only going to affect the rich, not the common person.
Fucking what?
- The rich colonialists owned all of the land, leaving none for everyone else. Through their ownership of the media, rich assholes like founding fathers Sam and John Adams astroturfed support for the revolution by forcing their papers to run fake articles/letters and paying gangs to riot.
This is an utterly bizarre point - that land was plentiful and yeomen farmers influential was one of the core reasons why immigration to the American colonies was still highly desirable - land ownership was much more widely distributed amongst the American colonists than in Britain.
- That the crown wanted to thank the natives who really won the war for the British by leaving them alone.
I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Crucible of War by Fred Anderson is a good place to start on this to undo the US propaganda.
I’ve not read it, but seeing as it appears to be a history of the Seven Years’ War, I’m dubious that it backs your later assertions.
On land: as an example: go read up on the origins of the “Sons of Liberty” it was started as an astroturf organization and was coerced(by popular support of people with weapons aimed at the rich founders) to share their lands.
On natives: it was rich colonialists who paid and backed immigrants to colonize native land post war. It was Natives backed by Britiah troops in the Ohio Valley that pushed them back.
The book is the the following elements: the leadup to the seven years war. The war, postwar, and leadup to the revolution.
The premise is that you cannot understand the revolution without understanding the critical history that led to the revolution.
The US has their own version of history and you cannot pry it out of their heads. They learned it from their daddy Britain, of course.
They instinctively forget propaganda is a thing and the US has forever tried to forcefully control the narrative that they’re superior and virtuous in every aspect. That’s why they aggressively control most social network platform and mainstream news.
Also, this OP is known for posting historical posts so he could slip in these tid bits himself.
Ah, the “English propaganda is the main source used by Wikipedia” guy.
That’s what a nation state is.
We’re all one species, we’re kept hostile towards one another to protect the hoards of the respective nation state’s elites.
We wouldn’t be destroying our sole, shared, COMMUNal habitat if we were cooperating as a species instead of undermining ourselves at every turn.
