Edit: For what it’s worth, you can give Google feedback to stop this nonsense. Scroll down to Get Ready section and click on Share your feedback. You can use the following text as an example.

Android’s strength has always been in being both secure and open. Restricting sideloading goes against this principle and does little to protect users. The existing toggle and clear warnings are already enough to inform users of the risks.

Meanwhile, the Play Store itself continues to be the main source of Android malware. In 2023 alone, malicious apps on Google Play were downloaded over 600 million times. More recently, 77 infected apps with 19 million installs and 200+ other malicious apps with nearly 8 million installs slipped past Play Protect. These numbers make it clear where the real problem lies.

If Google truly wants to protect users, the focus should be on strengthening Play Store defenses. Android’s openness is not the threat; malware inside the official store is. Please prioritize fixing that instead of undermining one of Android’s core values.

I’m considering leaving Apple for Android for a very long time now. On my shortlist I have the Fairphone Gen 6 and the OnePlus 13. Other options are not possible. I don’t want Google or Samsung hardware, or any other manufacturers that make it difficult to unlock your bootloader.

One of the reasons is the freedom to install any app I want on my device, because it’s my device. But with the news about Google forcing developers to share their personal credentials it makes it difficult for me to go to Android. Basically Google is trying to kill sideloading. Should I even move to Android now or is Android with the limitation just like iOS?

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    In my opinion: Android used to be a 7/10, iOS at 3/10, now after Google’s announcement, its a 4/10.

    For now at least, Google still allows Torrent clients and Firefox with extensions (like uBlock Origin), and this has been the case for the past decade. Google only requires a $25 one time fee for a developer account, Apple requires a recurring $99 per year payment. So Android is still better even with the restriction in mind.

    Just pay $25, download apks from anywhere, sign the apps yourself. Supposedly they aren’t checking the contents (I mean, they have like tons of malware on Google Play and they never check those either, I doubt they are inspecting every single app), so just don’t distribute the apps to anyone other than yourself or some trusted friends and that’ll probably keep it under Google’s radar.

    I’m currently planning on getting a Moto G 5G 2024 (about $140 right now on discount) for Lineage OS (CalyxOS was also supported, but they recently paused development so I’ll have to wait for that to be resolved). I was also considering a Pixel for Graphene, but its too expensive, and I don’t wanna deal with used market because a lot of then are ambiguous about if its a carrier variant and I just am too depressed to deal with the headache of that.

    Even after 2027, Android will still be slightly better than iOS (in my opinion). Android still would (probably) have torrent apps, Firefox uBlock Origin (I can’t guarantee they won’t change it in 2028 or something). And iOS also seems to alway kill apps in the background from my experience, I could never get an app to synching data in the background, but Android is less aggressive with killing apps. Like I literally tried to plug in a USB flash drive and they said I had to install the Sandisk app then I have to keep the app on the foreground to finish transfer, but Android is doesn’t even need any apps, and transfers work in the background. Also, I don’t think iPhones have multitasking with 2 apps on at the same time yet.

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    It’s only worth it if you can get a custom ROM friendly phone. Otherwise, no. Stock ROMs are approaching Apple’s levels of lockdown. With Apple you can at least get software updates for longer. And more games if you play on mobile.

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      Yeah that’s worrying for both phones. OnePlus just doesn’t promise updates and longevity. The Fairphone does make these promises, but with a bad track record and the current hardware I’m not certain it will be useful very long.

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        Older/weaker hardware can last much longer on custom ROMs without Play Services. I have phones like the Xperia XZ1 (from 2017) that absolutely fly despite their older chipsets and limited RAM (in this case a Snapdragon 835 and 4 GB of RAM).

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        I’m sure hardware is fine, I had a budget phone from six years ago (Huawei Y7 2019) before I upgraded and while it wasn’t good, it wasn’t unusable either. And that phone was just a hair above an Android Go phone. At this point performance upgrades should slow down. I can’t speak for their software support though.

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    If you buy a device right now, you get an immediate benefit, that lasts at least for the lifetime of the device. There is no change yet, and you’ll always be able to just not update to newer versions of Android that restrict sideloading. In case of Fairphone, that device is likely to last a long time.

    There is no real risk in buying a phone right now. Only once infrastructure changes that drops previous wireless network technology (i.e. 5g), and the new wireless communication technology is not supported by your phone’s hardware anymore, is when you’ll run into problems. Or when apps require a newer version of Android, but likely you’ll be able to spoof that by rooting your phone and installing certain software.

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    I just put lineageOS on my oneplus 6. When you install it you have the option of leaving out the google specific apps, which I did. I’ve been a long time android user but am wanting to degoogle to reduce my surveillance capitalism exposure. Without the google “play store” if feels a little like when I moved from windows to linux, what if I don’t have enough apps? So far banking apps are a no go (can’t download the apks directly), otherwise I mostly use FDroid apps anyway rather than play store. Feels good to ditch google.

    I have an eye on mobile nixos. I have a second oneplus 6 that needs a new usb port so may try fixing that one and seeing how it goes.

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    Yes it’s 100% worth it.

    Lots of Free Open Source apps on the F-droid store etc.

    And you can patch adds out of apps.

    If it becomes a walled garden, it will still be less of a walled garden than IOS

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    From my understanding if you have an apple ecosystem at home and just want everything to sync with each other and work flawlessly, apples the shit.

    Otherwise, android is nice and Fairphone is a environmental banger

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      Anything you can do in the Apple ecosystem you can do in the Google ecosystem.

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        Does Google have an audio only streaming protocol that’s in third party devices?

        A home streamer without ads on the Home Screen?

        A first party watch?

        A computer that isn’t a web browser running on low powered hardware?

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          Does Google have an audio only streaming protocol that’s in third party devices?

          …you mean Bluetooth?

          A home streamer without ads on the Home Screen?

          What is a “home streamer”?

          A first party watch?

          LOL, yes, but that’s not actually do anything, that’s just existing.

          A computer that isn’t a web browser running on low powered hardware?

          Once again, yes, but also not something you do, just existing.

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            …you mean Bluetooth?

            I mean Airplay.

            What is a “home streamer”?

            AppleTV

            LOL, yes, but that’s not actually do anything, that’s just existing.

            Which first party watch does Google make for android?

            Once again, yes, but also not something you do, just existing.

            What computer?

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              I mean Airplay.

              Never heard of it before, but sounds a lot like Spotify Connect. Or Google Cast. So, yes.

              Which first party watch does Google make for android?

              It’s called, get this, Pixel Watch

              What computer?

              Take your pick. There are thousands of ChromeBooks and Android tablets.

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                Spotify connect is locked in to Spotify. Google Cast would be the equivalent.

                No need to be condescending when having a chat about what the watch is called; I had no idea. Just like you don’t know what AirPlay is.

                You seem to have forgotten about the steaming device/box similar to the AppleTV; one that doesn’t have ads on the home screen.

                I’m asking for a computer. Not a Chromebook or tablet. Apple has the Mac running the MacOS, Google has….

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                  I had no idea. Just like you don’t know what AirPlay is.

                  When I didn’t know, I looked it up

                  You seem to have forgotten about the steaming device/box similar to the AppleTV; one that doesn’t have ads on the home screen.

                  Take any Google TV box and install a different launcher. Boom. Ads gone.

                  I’m asking for a computer. Not a Chromebook or tablet.

                  I dont know what you think a computer is, but they are.

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    Yes, i went from iPhone to Oneplus 6 with LineageOS and never looked back. Now im on Oneplus 9 pro stil with LineageOS

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      I used LineageOS for a long time on my OnePlus One and moved to iPhone since last year. Tried S24 ultra for a month, but I disliked a lot of things. Now I’m getting fed up with the walled garden and the aas kissing Tim Cook does in the White House. I prefer Chinese phones of American ones. Google is the only issue, but I know my way around Shizuku to uninstall bloatware/spyware from Google. But I’m worried apps like ReVanced, NewPipe and several F-Droid apps won’t work because of this dumb policy.

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    There’s no comparison between the two.

    iOS - you can do only what Apple says you can do.

    Android - whatever you want, mostly. And so many devs working on it outside of Google, it’s only a matter of time before Google’s restrictions are undone.

    Keep in mind, people outside Google have worked on it for 15 years now. There’s a lot of non-Google expertise.

    But… Whether it’s worth it is up to you. I use an iPhone for work, because they manage it so I can’t do anything beyond what they permit, even if it’s an Android. I need to make calls and use the tools the company provides. So iPhone. It’s simple, it “just works”.

    But for personal, I do a lot of stuff that simply isn’t possible on iOS.

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      I personally want to keep using ReVanced, Newpipe and a lot of F-Droid apps. I’m just worried in the future it will all be taken away. I have two iPhones now. In the past I used Samsung, but didn’t like the multiple and double of everything. 2 app stores, 2 webbrowsers, 2 note taking apps, 2 mail apps. Some of it was deletable and some wasn’t. I do feel like OnePlus comes with less bloatware.

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    Right now, with lack of major alternatives, it’s the smaller of the two evils.

    And if the pushback I see is proportional to the real pushback, I’d imagine Google will take a step back, giving people more time to prepare.

    And in line of getting prepared, if the AOSP project is forked, I’d imagine they could and possibly even would be mainteined while the original AOSP goes downhill. Similarly, if making the software is the problem, iirc there are rudimentary ways to make Android programs without Google’s SDK, of which people could start working on more attently too.

    So all in all, unless alternatives get a sudden major boost, I think Android is the safest bet for users that care for freedom.

    (And a side note, people should look also for devices that don’t have the bootloader locked from factory)

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    I would never have said this before in all my years but, yes. No reason to switch to Android anymore. They’re effectively the same thing at this point.

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      At this point: no.

      Sometime soon: potentially.

      For now these are just announcements and nothing severe has happened yet. Given the outrage you read here there may still be time for this to change again or for sensible alternatives to be available.

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        No, it definitely will be. Why would Google lie about this? Why bother switching now?

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          Why do anything at all? Everything has some sort of drawback. Also everything is the same anyway.

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            I don’t even know how to answer that. Currently they’re very unequal. Android offers much more freedom. In the near future that benefit is gone and all of the existing benefits are in Apple’s favor.

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              I especially feel like apple is opening up more and Google is closing down Android more. They’re moving to the same point in a spectrum. Which is IMO a false sense of freedom and ownership. It’s how dictators rule a country: you can do whatever you, but only if we like it.

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              Maybe, but we live in the now. Currently, Android is better for the causes OP mentioned. If someone cares about these causes, switching to something like Fairphone is a way to support these causes. Especially since Fairphone for example also works with other Linux-based operating systems in addition to Android (no matter if they are unusable because of whatever reasons right now).

              Staying on Apple, where Apple is definitely closed right now and also definitely staying like that, is the antithesis to that.

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                but we live in the now

                So we shouldn’t consider the near future?

                where Apple is definitely closed

                Google is definitely closing. There’s no reason for them to lie about this. The only lie is why they’re doing it.

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                  Of course we should consider the near future. And in the near future, Android devices will still keep working exactly as they are now. And the devices mentioned will have the ability to not update to a sideloading-blocked version of Android. And the devices mentioned will still have the ability to put other operating systems on them, in case stock Android is not satisfactory anymore. And in the near future, Android will not get worse than iOS, as iOS is blocking sideloading already.