Coach injured by gunfire that crossed into baseball diamond
what an American sentence
Capitalism builds ballparks next to gun ranges.
I knew it was in Texas, I just knew it.
meanwhile in switzerland:
If you drive through the municipality of Erlenbach im Simmental in Switzerland, along the main road, you’ll pass right underneath a shooting range with bullets whizzing over your head.
https://www.amusingplanet.com/2016/11/this-shooting-range-in-switzerland-has.html
Funny comparison, but very tonedeaf. The lack of gun legislation here causes thousands of children’s deaths every year. It’s the leading cause of death for kids, beating out suicide and cancer.
Yes, the article humorously highlights the problem, but it doesn’t make awful, unfair comparisons to places where the problem doesn’t exist.
Be better, please.
One could also say that Switzerland is a good example for the requirements of safe gun ownership:
Free healthcare, state controlled gun ranges and gun education, mental healthcare.
Years ago, 90s or before, they were having a big pro golf tournament in my city. One of the players went to a local Walmart, and just before they entered the store, they were shot and badly injured.
After a LOT of investigation (they’ll do that for famous people, not the rest of us), they discovered that a couple of guys were target shooting in the woods next to the Walmart, and one of their bullets had cleared every tree, branch, and impediment between them and Walmart, a long distance away. I seem to remember that they were nearly a mile away.
They were so far away that even when they saw the story of the shooting on TV, it didn’t occur to them that they could be responsible, because they were so far away.
I’m in Little Rock, AR and on holidays or special occasions, people just go fire guns off into the air from their doorsteps or back yards. I have a (well off) neighbor who has admitted to opening a window and firing some rounds off with her boyfriend.
When you tell them “You know, some of those bullets come down and kill people, including children lying in their beds” they get real pissy.
I know of that happening, too. A few years ago, a guy near here was killed by a bullet on New Years Eve. After an investigation, they determined that it came from the sky, from some moron firing his gun on New Years Eve.
Mythbusters did a piece on the lethality of shooting guns into the air. If you shoot it straight up, and it falls straight down, air friction will reduce it’s terminal velocity, make it tumble, and while it would hurt you, it probably wouldn’t kill you.
The problem is that it is nearly impossible to fire it straight up. It is almost always going to be in some sort of arc, so it is never really in a position for terminal velocity, friction, and tumbling to mitigate its lethality. So it just travels normally, and eventually hits someone.
Thanks I was kinda wondering exactly this.
New Year shooters really a thing here, too.
You might be safer since at least gun ranges try to keep things contained. If this is really just a bunch of yahoos blasting away “in the woods”, the only way to prevent it is to address gun “culture” and availability.
Starting with criminal charges. I haven’t seen an update but hopefully the shooters were arrested and face charges. And no, claiming an accident shouldnt be an excuse when there is reckless disregard for human lives
This was texas, why didn’t the good guys with guns fire back.
They did.
Fuck that coach! /s
There’s one near an elementary school in our fucking town.
Your what?
Yeah, I mean I’m all for the concept, but you simply can’t have an elementary school in a town like that smh…
Sounds like they were playing at Charlie Kirk memorial field
There’s one near an elementary school in our fucking town.
Same people who build summer camps for children in a known active flood plain.
Foresight is leftist, comrade.
Or a daycare next to a four lane stroad, with the playground on the side that faces the road.
https://globalnews.ca/news/11407598/child-care-richmond-hill-vehicle/
Everybody born in the land of the free ™ ©️* knows this is no place for a ball park, but instead it’s perfect for a school yard.
*Conditions apply
Patent Pending
There isn’t even an actual gun range; just an empty field people are known shoot guns at. And the outrage seems misplaced that the baseball diamond should be shutdown instead of shutting down dipshits firing guns in the field next to it.
Yeah, which amendment protects the right to BASEBALL?
HAH! Got you there, Commie! Guns win AGAIN!
Yeah, if you’re shooting a gun you are responsible for where the bullets end up.
Unless you’re Dick Cheney, and then the guy who caught the buckshot in his face will apologize for getting his face in the way of your shotgun.
Listed in maps as a shooting range… For the Katy police department…
Police training drills are getting too realistic.
Fuck The Police!
Shooting is America’s real pastime after all.
I mean I have to give them this one, have you seen a game of baseball?
People in a field shoot without reguard to what’s in the direction of the bullets they are firing. Kids flee, a coach is shot and someone thought they should blame the baseball field builders lol. Mate if you fire a gun and there is any reasonable belief that bullet can strike something other than your target, you should be charged with shooting at that object.
To me that means attempting to kill that coach/kids.
If you fire a gun, you are 100% responsible for the bullet, full stop.
Not if you are a MAGA, where have you been? There are no consequences for MAGAs.
What if you’re at a paid indoor range and your bullet goes through the back stop wall because the range cheaped out?
If you’re moving the goalposts there, just move the lawsuit right over to the range.
The difference is whether the shooter paid sufficient care and those are clear opposites
Moving a goalpost? Triumph said 100% of the time the guy that shot the bullet is responsible for it. I was just pointing out how silly that could be.
Really? That’s how you choose to debate? By inventing unrealistic scenarios that have likely never occured, or ever will occur? Wouldn’t an indoor firing range have regulations and code requirements that would keep a bullet from going through a wall and hitting someone outside?
That’s like wondering if the rule would apply if an alien spaceship fired a space laser, and deflected the bullet to hit someone, would the shooter still be responsible?
No, Skippy, in that case, probably not. You got me there, I guess you win the entire argument that ALL gun users are taught they they are 100% responsible for the path of their bullet.
Relax. Seems like a silly what if. Not a debate.
For real. I mean the universe rarely deals in absolutes. Ask a physicist if there’s a chance if you can pass your hand straight through a table and technically, yes their is. Even though it’s astronomically improbable.
I just mentioned a scenario I thought of from the top of my head where the shooter wouldn’t be the one liable for what the bullet did. I could come up with more. It’s just silly to claim “100% full stop” with just about anything.
That’s not what happened here, though, is it.
Never implied it was.
I said 100% and I meant 100%.
It’s literally the (tort) law. I don’t think the armchair lawyers here understand anything
If you’re defending\agreeing with Triumph, I don’t think you understand tort law.
Literally just had a case in my Tort Law class about this very thing. I think you don’t know anything at all.
I know in my scenario under tort, the gun range or someone further down in the construction of the range would be found liable, and not the shooter.
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… The part where a shooter is always 100% responsible for the bullet.
That’s because that’s true.
Especially if the bullet doesn’t full stop into the target or a barrier behind it.
@LyD@lemmy.ca points out that the barrier had nothing to do with it.
1oo% true. and yet… who would build a a base ball park right next to a gun range?! not saying they are at fault, but like …really? there must be something i don’t know, like was it an indoor range?
Americans continuing to blame the kids who are being shot at, or absolutely anyone who had anything to do with it EXCEPT the gun nuts, tick, I had that on my bingo card for this thread.
um no? i don’t think kids are choosing the locations of shooting ranges nor baseball dimonds… is that why people are down voting? because they took my issue of building locations as if the children are at fault? crazy
These schools are letting woke kids walk in front of bullets.
@LyD@lemmy.ca points out that the barrier had nothing to do with it.
The outdoor range points away from the baseball field.
i mean ok, i get it. but OOF. i see also that the shooting wasn’t even at the gun range. still seems like a weird place to constantly hear gun fire during your kids little league game
Far west of Houston? All those kids are used to guns already.
Which one was built first?
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Sounds like they are getting charged
The Waller County Sheriff’s Office said it was now pursuing dangerous conduct charges against three people suspected of firing off guns nearby.
“Dangerous conduct”. wtf, I hope that’s a felony, but it really sounds like slap in a wrist like crossing the street not in the crosswalk
Sometimes prosecutors who want to charge someone with multiple charges pick the easiest one to get an indictment on first. That lets them hold the guy / force him to post bail while they work on other charges.
All too often the only justice in the us is a personal injury lawsuit, so hopefully it makes that an open-shut case
What a fucked up backwards country
