This disgusts me. These Zionists should read their own book:
"If your enemy is hungry, give him bread to eat,
and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink" (Proverbs 25:21, ESV)
They’re just reading a different part of it than you are.
"When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you."
Deuteronomy 20: 10 - 17
Imagine arresting 470 humanitarians because they dared to attempt to deliver food and medical supplies to an oppressed people, but still somehow retain the moral high-ground with most of the western world.
It’s just fucking bonkers. WTF is wrong with people.
Americans still respect the government and Israeli people too much 🤡
Israel needs to go, the country is an irredeemable Nazi hellhole.
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no man. there’s videos of isreali kids burning their draft papers, their prisons are filling up with conscientious objectors. nuke-the-fuckin-lot-of-em is not the way to go, even if they’re a tiny minority they do not deserve to be collateral damage in another nuclear dick waving event
Yeah, nah.
It’s a small region and you would hit every Palestinian, as well as impact countless other innocent people across the MENA region from fallout.
Remove the Israeli state and give the land back to the original inhabitants to rebuild.
I say this without a shred of insincerity
Then you’re a fool. The collateral damage and suffering from a nuke is inconceivable.
It’s cool to hate Israeli’s but find a better hyperbole.
Fucking hell dude, no.
Probably should just arrest the leaders. The ones that have been in power for 20+ years and have slowly changed their people’s minds to reflect what their leaders want.
Which will never happen. I oppose nuking anybody though
You should watch “Prosecuting Evil.” It talks about the allies after WW2, faced with a situation pretty similar to this, and how they had to grapple with what could even be done to try to stop the cycle of violence followed by “justified” retribution that had practically consumed the world by the middle of the 20th century, basically all the way into and including the genocide in Gaza in a literal unbroken line.
What Ben Ferencz came to believe was the solution, was the International Criminal Court. He had a ton to do with pushing for its initial creation. Basically, we do exactly what we do inside our civil societies to maintain order: Agree on laws, then enforce them. The idea “well they did something wrong so we have to do all out war until they can’t do wrong anymore because they are dead” sounds like it makes sense but in practice it is not the way.
“Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity.”
Might I suggest the 1961 epic Judgment at Nuremberg for a more critical view of immediate events following WW2 and how much justice really could be expected from court proceedings.
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Down with Israel!
Pure evil.
Zionists being genocided by Nazis doesn’t give them an excuse to do the exact same shit…
She seems so thin now we get aid to her then she gets aid to Gaza and bb gets aids somewhere in between (I hope)
Yes.
no.
“Yes” what? Elaborate.
Surprisedpikachu.bmp
Wtf did they expect would happen?
I don’t think they are suprised.
They simply hope to put a spotlight on the inhumanity and horror to encourage “civilized” governments to finally grow a moral backbone.
Yeah. I have no idea what the intent of the flotilla people specifically was, but laying bare the brutal nature of something that was masquerading as something “civilized” or “defensive” or something is often a huge purpose behind things like that.
It is why unarmed and overtly undeniably peaceful efforts are often a lot more successful ways of taking down a brutal regime than trying to fight them force for force (at which contest they will obviously win.) No person and no government can survive without support, and every time they show their true face they lose support which is very hard for them to ever win back.
Must say, I’m a bit confused.
You post stuff like, “What? you mean a nation founded on rights only for rich white males and that entrenched slavery into their constitution isn’t a great place to be? Kinda crazy.” and “They can. But that would make you ‘lose’ capitalism. […] Why settle for one yatch, when you could have several mega yatchs?”
Which makes me think you’re not some right winger and probably a decent person, but yet you’re saying something so needlessly callous about someone trying to do something decent, was that intentional?
They are a wild liberal doing what liberals do
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Yes, parent comment is shitty, but no you can’t tell people on Lemmy to kill themselves.
Why are you allowing victim blaming?
Because once you start laying down the rules for what people are and are not allowed to say about some particular world situation, it’s hard to know when to stop.
So let’s remove all rules. How about allowing all kind of racism, celebrating people death or torture because once you start laying down the rules for what people are and are not allowed to say about some particular world situation, it’s hard to know when to stop. What a dumb logic
Because there’s degrees to this shit? Speech isn’t some black and white clean line. We have to make a judgement call, and being cold hearted can be tolerated whereas racism can’t.
Racism is harmful, justifying human right abuses because the victim expected the abuse to happen is also harmful and show how uncivilized you guys are
https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/slippery-slope-fallacy/
I won’t try to speak for any “objective” standard here, I’m just saying the way I see it. Having a viewpoint about the Gaza flotilla protestors that is, to me, just objectively wrong, is okay. Telling another Lemmy commenter that they, the Lemmy commenter, should kill themselves is not. I can see how there could be debate about the first thing, but the second one is forbidden in practically every place on Lemmy that I know of.
Lol it is you who started using that fallacy
Because once you start laying down the rules for what people are and are not allowed to say about some particular world situation, it’s hard to know when to stop.
I just used the same logic of you to prove that your argument is so dumb
Having a viewpoint about the Gaza flotilla protestors that is, to me, just objectively wrong, is okay.
You can think the idea of those Flotilla is wrong but you can justify their members to be mistreated by Israel. Why are you ok with people blaming the victim? Why are you allowing things that civilized people and international laws don’t accept?
Because it was expected you blame the victim instead of the one doing the crimes?
Israel is a genocidal state and leading a convoy with 500 people to a genocidal state for a publicity stunt is a stupid idea. Both can be true at the same time.
Greta has no official political power, and somehow she expected to… What? Land in Gaza like a savior? Israel is starving millions of people, bombing food convoys, but you think your publicity stunt boat trip is going to be safe? Lol.
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Greta has no official political power, and somehow she expected to… What?
If you are asking this question honestly, you should read From Dictatorship to Democracy. Basic TL;DR, every power structure that has ever existed in human history is built out of a tower of humans all, more or less, obeying the power structure. If the people involved stop cooperating, the whole edifice collapses. It can happen literally in weeks or days. By far the most effective way to undermine support for a monstrous regime is to destroy the base of people who are supporting it: In this case, the international community of political leaders that prop up Israel (or at least don’t condemn it in any way that matters), and the people inside Israel who actually run the machine. By far the most effective way of doing that is to expose the brutal nature of the system, and turn people against the idea of cooperating with it.
The stated goal of the flotilla organizers was to open a humanitarian corridor. To keep sending clearly unarmed civilian vessels, which of course will several times get intercepted, until the Israeli narrative is no longer sustainable and they decide to let humanitarian aid into Gaza again. I have no idea whether they would add to that the goal of laying bare what the nature of Israel’s brutality is, by deliberately exposing Western people to it in addition to “Arabs/Hamas/terrorists/whatever” being the only targets. But I wouldn’t automatically assume that isn’t part of the goal. And, if that is part of what they’re trying to do, it is probably one of the most effective ways of ending the genocide that is available to anybody.
they still don’t deserve to be abused which Israel did. So why are you victim blaming them. Did you forget that Israel attacked the flotilla in Tunisia, you are accusing people risking their lives to do publicity stunt so ridiculous.
I am not expecting the trip to be safe, i expect when they are intercepted everybody condemn human right abuses. Your stupid argument makes no sense
You’re twisting my words there. Read my comment again.
I did not twist your word you refuse to condemn human right abuses by Israel towards those activists just because you think it is a publicity stunt and because they expected it to happen
Lol. Ok
So you’re condoning this?
