I mean sure you can disagree with whatever you think the values are, but are you really trying to present it like liberalism isn’t a social movement? Why would the whole divisive OP meme even exist if that weren’t at least widely perceived to be the case?
Liberalism presently isn’t a serious movement… sorry to break this to you. The current presentation of liberalism is a hollow shell of the actual ideology - it’s branding.
Look I’m going to be honest, I’m pretty confused as to what your point is. You’ve started this by implying my ideology is only ‘mocking people I disagree with’, then now you’re professing you align with the principles of liberal social movements.
Non-mocking question I swear: Is this because the term ‘liberal’ is often used to describe Democrats (obviously including by themselves)?
Liberalism is as dead as Latin. Suppose I could speak Latin fluently and knew a few people who also could - it doesn’t make it any more alive.
Liberalism amounts to vaguely supporting good things while watching democracy and consent-based governance die - and doing absolutely nothing meaningful to change the trajectory. Self-identified liberals blaming/shaming/mocking individuals to the left of them (who are closer ideologically to them than they realize) is what is dividing the left and is an extremely common behavior in online discourse.
is what is dividing the left and is an extremely common behavior in online discourse
This entire thing started with a post about leftists mocking liberals, though. Like, no, how are you agreeing with the vast majority of liberal principals and then claiming the ideology is dead – Are you just talking about the use of the term “liberal” to describe groups adhering to sets of principals, because that’s what I think you’re saying and I’m still very confused as to how you’ve conflated the label of a group with the abstract set of concepts that underpin the values of said groups.
This is like claiming communism is dead because the soviets were a failure. Sure, a case could be made about the only major experiments with it being disasters, but it’d still be ridiculous to assert that because of it there’s no value to be found in superficially similar movements (like, for example, socialism / most leftist movements).
This entire thing started with a post about leftists mocking liberals, though.
No, it started with an image of a social media post where leftists identify the supposed contrast between the two ideologies. With liberals advocating for those that work 40 hours a week to not live in poverty, and leftists advocating for everyone to be given the ingredients to live a dignified life.
Liberals can support the latter and directly create that change with leftists. It isn’t in conflict with liberalism. The fact that modern-day liberals see that as being in conflict with their ideology and then disowning anyone more radical or socialist than them is the cause of the rift and shows that liberalism is not quite what it’s supposed to be in practice.
What movement? Pretending like you want real change and acting like you give a shit while mocking people that you disagree with online?
I mean sure you can disagree with whatever you think the values are, but are you really trying to present it like liberalism isn’t a social movement? Why would the whole divisive OP meme even exist if that weren’t at least widely perceived to be the case?
Liberalism presently isn’t a serious movement… sorry to break this to you. The current presentation of liberalism is a hollow shell of the actual ideology - it’s branding.
So it is a social movement, just not one you agree with. Why? What ideology is it even supposed to be a hollow shell of?
No, you misunderstand. I agree with the vast majority of liberal principles, people are just masquerading with its labelling to gatekeep progress.
I’m more liberal than the most notable liberals. Why? Because the term has been co-opted.
Look I’m going to be honest, I’m pretty confused as to what your point is. You’ve started this by implying my ideology is only ‘mocking people I disagree with’, then now you’re professing you align with the principles of liberal social movements.
Non-mocking question I swear: Is this because the term ‘liberal’ is often used to describe Democrats (obviously including by themselves)?
Liberalism is as dead as Latin. Suppose I could speak Latin fluently and knew a few people who also could - it doesn’t make it any more alive.
Liberalism amounts to vaguely supporting good things while watching democracy and consent-based governance die - and doing absolutely nothing meaningful to change the trajectory. Self-identified liberals blaming/shaming/mocking individuals to the left of them (who are closer ideologically to them than they realize) is what is dividing the left and is an extremely common behavior in online discourse.
This entire thing started with a post about leftists mocking liberals, though. Like, no, how are you agreeing with the vast majority of liberal principals and then claiming the ideology is dead – Are you just talking about the use of the term “liberal” to describe groups adhering to sets of principals, because that’s what I think you’re saying and I’m still very confused as to how you’ve conflated the label of a group with the abstract set of concepts that underpin the values of said groups.
This is like claiming communism is dead because the soviets were a failure. Sure, a case could be made about the only major experiments with it being disasters, but it’d still be ridiculous to assert that because of it there’s no value to be found in superficially similar movements (like, for example, socialism / most leftist movements).
No, it started with an image of a social media post where leftists identify the supposed contrast between the two ideologies. With liberals advocating for those that work 40 hours a week to not live in poverty, and leftists advocating for everyone to be given the ingredients to live a dignified life.
Liberals can support the latter and directly create that change with leftists. It isn’t in conflict with liberalism. The fact that modern-day liberals see that as being in conflict with their ideology and then disowning anyone more radical or socialist than them is the cause of the rift and shows that liberalism is not quite what it’s supposed to be in practice.