This misses the point. The point is no one, especially someone who has given back to society by preforming labor, should be left out in the cold.
I think the point is nobody should live in poverty. Fullstop. Addendum to that, workers should be paid a fair day’s wage for a fair day’s work. But the first sentence is the core of everything.
They don’t agree with that, they think that if you have a job you are more worthy of being allowed to live.
You missed their point.
No one, not only workers.
Still not getting it. These people have sacrificed a substantial part of their life and have nothing to show for it.
You don’t get it, you don’t have to sacrifice anything to have value as a human.
Why do Libs always have to dehumanise people?
If you work 100 or 0 hours a week, you have exactly the same right to basic life needs.
You dont get. Beyond your idea utopian society the society these people labor to build has forsaken them.
I don’t understand why you’re having such a hard time with what they’re explaining to you. No one is disagreeing that working people are getting shafted.
Yeah it’s pretty stupid to slave away under liberal capitalism and expect anything. We clearly don’t live in a utopia, yet these people act like we do and expect to be rewarded by it.
Once people start living in reality and realising our innate worth is more than a number on a corporate timesheet, maybe we can get somewhere.
We could talk but their isn’t some brain trust that is just waiting to be awaken. There is no grand self actualization. Quit wishing for it. People are dumb, scared, complacent creatures. Quit waiting for them to come together, hold hands, and stop the violence.
Thats reality.
We don’t need a brain trust, we need you lot to start using what you already have.
Reality is, as long as people like you argue and fight to defend the harmful status quo, things will only ever get worse. But this attitude is so deeply ingrained into you, that you can’t even see that all humans have the same worth.
It is called the Nirvana falacy: rejection of anything that is not an immediate perfect solution.
A road is crossed in many steps, not one giant leap.
Ironic.
At no point in this meme or thread, has the argument ever been ‘We should never go to the 1st step’, it is entirely 'We should aim for the 2nd step, and don’t let the Libs stop you at the 1st.
The only people who reject anything, are the libs who reject the notion that you can work towards the 2nd step.
I feel like you hear the top line because those specific liberals are trying to convince independents, moderates, conservatives, and people on the right to agree on at least something. Many of the people they’re trying to convince would give a big “NO” if they didn’t include that 40 hours part.
The fact that there isn’t even a “YES” with the 40 hours part caveat is the bad sign.
I don’t think most of the people labeled as liberals would disagree with what the people labeled leftist are saying, but their trying to convince the other people that aren’t even bought in to the first step.
This is also an issue where the people that don’t want to help others have over 50% of the power in the US federal government currently.
Our energy should be focused on bringing these progressive help options to everyone at the state level right now to have the greatest chance of getting these programs implemented.
Liberals: Works 40 hours a week.
Leftists: Whines 40 hours a week without working.
The funny part is the only reason I don’t really want to work right now is because everybody fuckin sucks and makes it miserable. I’m a systems administrator and if all I had to do was computer work I would be perfectly happy I could work more than 40 hours. The problem is that 90% of my job is kissing ass to people that know literally nothing about computers desperately trying to get something halfway correct done while the retard in charge who hasn’t understood computers for over 20 years now overrides and makes a dumbass decision that is guaranteed to cause problems, trying to preemptively get ready for when it inevitably causes the exact problems I said it would cause and having to deal with the cleanup and getting blamed for it even though I at every possible meeting made it clear that this was a bad idea.
So yeah I don’t want to work , but that’s not because I’m lazy it’s because fuck other people lol
Conservative weirdo says what, what are you work-maxed
I’m “collectivize the farms and factories” left, and even I recognize that it’s a hell of a lot easier to get to the second state from the first state than from where we are now.
While that’s true, I think by positioning ourselves at the 2nd state, it allows us to “negotiate” our way down to getting the 1st state. Its kind of like haggling. If you start at the more extreme position, opposition will (in an ideal scenario) try to find a middle ground to agree on. And that middle ground would look like the 1st state. It’s a way of combatting the ratcheting effect.
I do wish the left broadly could unify under the idea that we need to make incremental progress.
A lot of people on this very site think there’s going to be a glorious people’s revolution any day now. I could spend hours describing how unrealistic that fantasy is, but I think more people rather live with their indulgent fantasies than go out and plant trees that they will never sit in the shade of.
I do wish the left broadly could unify under the idea that we need to make incremental progress.
That’s literally been the last century + of western politics, and uh we’ve all seen how that’s turning out.
I wish centrists could unify under the idea that we need to make a complete and total overhaul. That they could recognize that the climate alone will kill us if we don’t do, let alone the fascists and capitalists at our back.
Welcome back Karl Kautsky. Excited for World War 1?
The label we’re gathering under is progressives, it’s mostly leftists but you leave the praxis at home and recognize that no one is going to read a pamphlet
Turns out, when you have good messaging, most people are on board with the practical changes we could make today. Mumdani is a rockstar at it
The Zohran Mamdani campaign has peeled the curtain back from American politics and exposed how much of it has been kayfabe all along. And the people writing the scripts are not happy about it.
I hope it continues, while I know he will win, I hope he also succeeds against the ringmasters and production executives who have manufactured our reality.
I don’t think it’s kayfabe so much as a bunch of consultant brained fucktards desperately grasping at power, but also having no idea why they’re doing this anymore
But Mumdani has shown us that the people really are desperate for leftism. They want what we want, they just need crisp and simple messaging
Oh man do I ever with you. I’m absolutely an idealist, I agree with the OP’s sentiment. But I will absolutely support anyone with any ideology that gets us closer. Small steps are easier to take, this bullshit that everyone thinks we need the perfect candidate with the one weird trick.
See what that got us. I have no goddamned idea where to go from here. I’ll support any ham sandwich that drags us in the right direction.
go out and plant trees that they will never sit in the shade of
I forget about this colloquialism, but find it a good description for how I try to be day to day
Are you aware of how many people starved when farms were collectivized in the Soviet Union?
The Kolkhoz system in the Soviet Union is really not to dissimilar to modern farming practices.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkhoz
The system of petty/peasant farming is over. Successful farms are already “collectivized”, and hire farmhands to do the work.
https://www.epi.org/blog/how-many-farmworkers-are-employed-in-the-united-states/
It is possible to improve on the methods and priorities of previous attempts.
The problem with the previous attempts was prioritizing ideology over real life problems. Doesn’t sound like socialists are capable of understanding why that’s a problem because they believe that conforming to ideology will magically solve all problems. Just like they believed that in the Soviet Union… which is what caused the famines.
Well the only people who are talking about stopping at one state are the centrists arguing we must ‘compromise’ and accept the top only.
I fully support going to both…
Uh…I don’t think you’ve done a check up on where the centrists are lately. Centrists split the difference between the parties, they’re over there going “well, healthcare is good, but who’s going to pay for it? I don’t like what ice is doing, they’re hurting too many people while they look for the criminals”
The abundance liberals also claim they want to do the first one, but they seem like a fresh wave of neolibs
It seems like progrssives are the only ones serious about the first one, and they’re largely on board with the second one
I think you’ve still identified that the meme is trying to get at “there’s ‘left’, and there’s LEFT.” The U.S. public suffers from a dearth of broadly-accepted terminology for labeling these groups, so some group will always misunderstand exactly who you mean.
that’s not how it works though
No shit. If it worked a different way people wouldn’t be talking about it.
Neither is how it works, the point is to change how it works so that we achieve these goals.
Both things can be true.
One step at a time.Is our next step going to be passing conservative legislation and pretending its a win for 15 years again?
Yeah, splitting up isn’t a great thing right now. Let’s team up together and fight the nazis.
It’s almost like some people here desperately want to create division in the left.
Glad to see it backfiring on one post.
Shitlibs can’t do anything but blame the left for their failures and deny we exist. And suck Nazi dick. They can fall in line or fuck off–if a shitlib wants to volunteer as a warm body for something I’m doing without trying to subvert it I won’t turn them away, but I doubt that would happen–i have seen zero interest in coalitions or opposing fascism.
Please feel free to prove me wrong.
Can you kindly provide some examples of what you’re talking about?
of a thing not happening? um, sure; here i guess.
Great! Can you please explain some of the specific things you are doing? You mentioned this in your previous comment. Specifically the part about coalitions and such.
can you explain
No, sorry.
They can fall in line or fuck off–if a shitlib wants to volunteer as a warm body for something I’m doing without trying to subvert it I won’t turn them away
Cool! Was this just a lie then?
I don’t need to prove you wrong, I just need to sit back and watch your every effort come to nothing. Proceed!
I can’t tell if this is a bit.
What they were trying to say is now is not the time to divide eachother
Cool maybe they should fall in line then.
OR maybe you should team up on the incremental progress for now, and then show them why more work is needed. You don’t need to be the divisive one.
Weird how ‘compromise to a common end’ always means ‘do my thing and ignore that other thing and also ignore what you wanted’.
Why are you pretending like that’s what they said? One concept is a progression of the same idea but taken beyond the other one - you’re just claiming it’s not because you want to be divisive and pretend like you’re holding the morally correct position to trigger people.
It’s transparent and like… nobody seems to be taking the bait, so why are you even still trying?
Some of the people you see that are dumping on any incremental progress are pro-authoritarian, accelerationists. I believe most of those ones are bad actors/bots though. Any real leftist is wanting to help people however they can/actively helping those in their communities.
You’re the only person in here talking about splitting up?
Let’s just make sure when this is over, that actual leftists are put in charge so we don’t get a repeat of this in 20 years.
Dude, the leftists shitting on liberals thing is extremely strong around here. You would think the only enemy in sight is the Democratic Party to hear some tell it. Oh look, here comes someone right now to do exactly that!
The Democratic Party is the insidious great apologizer for Capital. The Democrat Party funds the wars, were the original kings of “mass deportation”, and have been the architects of numerous an austerity policy that has betrayed and immiserated the working class.
The Democratic Party is the more advanced villain, as they wrap their rhetoric in the language of moralism to make them immune to criticism from more “left wing” moralizers. Which is why many are stuck arguing to death in petty fights with the rhetoric of reform and moralism of the Left Wing of Capital while the republicans are more openly evil who are easy to dismiss and not argue with.
Only through recognizing both the Democratic and Republican party as institutions of class control will you ever make progress.
Yes Dems are antilib/antileft as well
Let’s just make sure when this is over, that actual leftists are put in charge
Leftist don’t want to get organized to be a third party or vote as left as they can in major parties. They won’t be in charge because they don’t want to be engaged.
People who are not represented by the two party system are disenfranchised by First-past-the-post voting.
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
Specifically that first one, then we break your legs and shackle you to something so you dont get ideas.
Walking in the direction of only one.
Because the other is merely a stop on the way.If you don’t strive for the best option, you’ll settle for compromise.
Yeah you get the compromise first, people realize that it’s great, and push farther from that. Taking the big leap, while not impossible, is much harder and less likely to succeed the way you want.
But you don’t really seem to care about nuance and just want more excuses to insult people who aren’t as left as you are. Obviously even liberals think ubi is the best option
Obviously even liberals think ubi is the best option
And leftists don’t.
UBI is a bandage for capitalism, it’s not a real solution anyone should be pushing for and will remain at risk of being cut for as long as it’s ever implemented.
That’s what politics is, compromise. That’s why “they” say to shoot for the biggest thing you want, because half way there is still better than when you first started.
When was the last time a lib compromised with a socialist or anarchist? With anyone to the left of mecha-thatcher?
Do you even know off the top of your head the compromise positions on police abolition Zionism worker control of the means of production/not living in exploitative tyranny half your waking life abolition of borders universal housing bodily autonomy massive inequality/billionaires the elimination of precarity or environmental sustainability? Like, have you ever heard any of them articulated by a lib?
Edit: has anyone ever in their life heard a lib articulate what a compromise with the left might look like? Once? One single time?
Leftists always have to shut up and fall in line. If we don’t we’re fracturing and we’re the problem, yet the centrist libs never make an effort to compromise or meet our modest expectations on the value of human life.
I think this stance isn’t quite the full picture. The issue I see in the US is that over 50% of the people in power federally, Republicans, don’t want even those very moderate positions voted in.
It’s not an issue of leftists being too left, but an issue of there not being enough people sold on leftists views in all the red/purple states. When the 40 hour a week requirement isn’t even getting sold, of course those people further right aren’t voting in a more considerate option.
Really, I feel the issues stem from many people believing that we were close to getting the liberal goals passed federally. Now, it looks like we’re starting back several steps with how much 2024 was a backstep. At this point, trying to get those leftist programs implemented at the state level is the most logical thing to do, specifically in blue states.
I think blue states held off on implementing most of these programs since it is very expensive and it would have made way more sense to fund all these programs federally, but that’s not realistic now. Blue states need to be willing to go into debt to fund these progressive programs, and only after they are implemented and the people are benefiting is it likely that purple/red states also buy into trying these programs.
Don’t get me wrong, the corporate Dems aren’t the ones trying to get these programs implemented at the state level. For that reason, we should primary the non-progressive Dems. Better yet, we should try to get an alternative voting system implemented in each of our states so we get more politicians like Mamdani in office.
Because the ratio of libs to leftists is like 10:1 at minimum. Obviously they control the conversation, that’s how democracy is supposed to work. We can’t control the conversation from the minority.
Right but have you literally ever heard a shitlib say what compromise with the left might look like? Like ever? Any proposal? An elected figure or your cringe shitlib aunt or literally any of them?
Or do they just mean ‘compromise the left’ as in ‘to a permanent end’?
What do you mean? Compromise on what issues exactly?
I agree with pretty much everything under the sun with left leaning policy. I’m a leftist-liberal since I don’t think those points are inherently mutually exclusive.
Gave a shortish list elsewhere in this thread, find it or don’t.
No, that’s what centrism is, compromise with the right.
We fight for what we want, and we don’t stop halfway sorry.
We fight for what we want
Sure you do buddy, how is that working out?
I’ve seen more of this type of accelerationist, cultist talk cropping up lately. As a leftist-liberal, I don’t think it’s mutually exclusive where we can’t be pushing for that incremental positive change while still wanting more.
The fact that over 50% of those on the right, who are in power, don’t want positive change at all -even that incremental change- is what is the worrying sign.
We should be pushing for progressives to be in office and implement these progressive policies at the state level, as it’s clear that we have a big up-hill challenge to get any progressive policies passed federally.
this type of accelerationist, cultist talk cropping up lately
Did you reply to the wrong comment?
Nah I’m agreeing with you; I’m talking about the type of person you replied to though.
damn right. in the US, performing labor is seen as more important than human life. that tells you a lot.
It is a super weird and self contradictory thing. Because yeah, the notion is that labor’s important because labor is how anything gets done, and without things getting done, how does anyone get to live a life at all? Entropy is real after all. So people who would do no labor yet get support from the rest of society are seen as execrable parasites.
And yet… the big goal is to become wealthy so that you can live on the labor of others. The whole enterprise of business is about playing the system so that you can get more for less personal labor. And the highest form of this is to work not at all yet receive even more than mere support: total indulgence.
So how are people at once shat upon for doing no labor but wanting basic support, while others are idealized for doing no labor but wanting total indulgence?
And most of them defend it.
I guess it’s some variation of Stockholm syndrome.
Stockholm syndrome was supposedly debunked recently.
What it actually looks to be is a stripped out and twisted version of meritocracy.
“I’ve worked for my achievements and earned my rights, everyone else should do the same or not share in my privileges.”
Liberals watching fascism evolve in real time: “Fuck your guns! Give them over!”
Leftists: “Uh, hell no, are you crazy?”
Liberals: “You’ll get KILLED!”
Leftists: “Yeah, that’s going to be the outcome whether you fight or not.”
Liberals: “Where my 2A people at?!” (got a burn in there. tee hee hee)
Me: “I have loads of guns, practice best I know how, several times a week. Tell me what you would have me do.”
Liberals: <FUCKING SILENCE>
Never heard a single word, not one reply to that question. Here’s your chance to shine!
I haven’t seen masked men in my town. None have come for my brown, legal, immigrant wife. As of this year, I am not outdoors unarmed. Indoors? You can’t catch me shitting without a firearm in reach. Insane? Abso-fucking-lutly insane. No one should live like that. But this is where we’re at in America.
Want to hear something nuts? I was just now showing my wife that I can buy all the gear these fascists are wearing on Amazon.com. Yes, POLICE patches, all of it.
So, to sum, they’ve demonstrated that they’ll kill me. They’ve demonstrated that anyone can look like them. You go figure out how to take that information.
Ban for “inciting violence” in 3, 2…
You want to do something? Start organising revolutionaries. Take your time doing so, as they key word here is “organise”. Having a bunch of trigger happy gun hippies walking around helps nobody.
Find some very painful points to hit, then hit them.
Don’t be deterred if the state starts calling you terrorists.
I dont think organizing can be done at this time.
I think it has to be a Franz Ferdinand type thing.
Franz was part of the Black Hand and they organized the whole thing - which fell apart. Franz lucked out as the car detoured past a cafe he was having a coffee in after giving up.
OP doesn’t understand what these terms mean.
You think the democrats are radical leftists, don’t you?
No? But you probably think Trump is since you’re comparing liberals and leftists.
I am one of the radical leftists.
Why would I think right wingers are us?
Liberals are the opposite of authoritarians, they aren’t left or right but a description of people’s view towards government regardless of political leanings.
Communists, Anarchists, Libertarians are all examples of liberals.
Trump is an authoritarian which aligns with your stated view of leftists not being liberal (being authoritarians)
Those are not liberals.
Liberalism is free trade, it’s private ownership of property - both right wing. At the tail end of liberalism is a little bit of social freedom which is somewhat left, once you remove all the qualifiers Libs put on welfare.
More and more I’m convinced most Americans have no idea what a liberal, leftist, or other terms actually are. They’re just parroting the words they hear from their feeds.
‘Liberal’ is the funniest because both red and blue accuse each other of being them. My guess is blues think liberalism is laissez-faire and the reds think it’s woke social freedoms. They’re both slightly on the right track, but not at all.
And in the rest of the free world…
Liberals: No one should live in poverty regardless of their ability to perform labour.
Leftists: Yoooo, 40 hrs is fucked. What is this, the 1300s?
Liberals: Actually, yeah that is kind of fucked. An employer shouldn’t be ble to encroach on an employee’s life that much. This is an imbalance of liberties.
Leftist: Great! So what are we going to do bout it?
Liberals: Fuck all. We can’t be sure employees don’t want this too. Besides, someone will sort it out soon, they always do.
Leftists: I’ll donate a union $5 so I can tell my friend I’m left.
And in the next five years, some prolific young gun politician swoops in the 35 hour work week. But due to cultural reasons, everyone keeps working 40 hours and gets plenty of overtime for it. This having the employer pay more and the employee see little benefit because the state haven’t adjusted their now dated tax brackets. But along with very good minimum wage standards and an unemployment rate < 5%, both the leftist and the liberal never found the true source of the poverty and so continued using foreign corporations and large franchise to fulfill almost all of their needs. And everyone but their local infrastructures and communities lived happily ever after until the next global recession hit. The leftist and liberal “really meant it this time” when they said they’d support local and try to live more independently, but the inconvenience of it meant they silently did not.
Hear me out here, maybe, the words mean slightly different things based on the cultural associations with those words?
I don’t disagree that they are used differently in Europe and the rest of the world, but those terms have regionally unique meanings in the US.
Liberal here means more pro-business/capitalism. It doesn’t inherently mean pro-unregulated capitalism though, nor pro-big corporations/billionaires.
Leftist here means supports left leaning policies. That can range quite a bit, and likely is more left-of-center.
I think your breakdown is an accurate representation of politics regardless. Lots of people saying they want this or that, but not a ton of action actually going forward to change things. Yet alone there even being big incentives for those in power to actually implement those changes.
To me, it feels like positive change has to happen locally and at a state level, since people don’t necessarily care to want what they are unfamiliar with.
The difference is liberals believe in a system of laws that can be tweaked and perfected for the greatest good but never fundamentally changed, leftists believe in change
Of course you’re over there arguing over less hours or not, we’re over here arguing if we should still have science
We don’t have a functioning system to tweak
Liberals: Fuck all. We can’t be sure employees don’t want this too. Besides, someone will sort it out soon, they always do.
Leftists: I’ll donate a union $5 so I can tell my friends I’m left.
The most real understanding of our political world tbh.
My experience has more been along the lines of. 5 people are voting:
1 votes to make things better
2 don’t vote
2 vote to make things worse even for themselvesI tried watching some right wing stuff and some interviews with right wing voters to see if there was a perspective I’m missing but often it was literally ‘I know there’s no evidence for this but I believe it anyway’.
From my understanding, they would love those helpful things, but as soon as they hear the person they dislike might be helped or benefit it makes their blood boil because they hate that guy. I believe this is the crux of some of the issues.
This is what makes even the first part of this post happen where liberals try to negotiate, they offer a “okay what about if the person works 40 hours” and the answer they get back is still a “NO”.
I do think it’s possible to convince these people, but you really have to sell it as “there is the billionaires and then the rest of us who are hard working people”. Senator Bernie Sanders has had success in West Virginia doing this, so maybe if we can get some progressive campaigns going to these small towns, listening to the concerns of the locals, and uniting these people under this common concern it can help build some bridges.
This is a bit like responding “All lives matter” when hearing about Black Lives Matter.
It’s more like “End Slavery” not “End Debt Bondage”.
One is clearly more serious than the other and it’s not the 40 hr workers.
I’m sure you can get into the anti-confederate nature of that.
Ask the top to apply their thinking to retirement. That might make them think a little deeper.
“Oh it’s different, we’ll have earned our welfare” - Liberals
Progressive purity tests help the billionaires and right more than they help us make progress toward a future were common people aren’t treated like trash.
Nothing and no one will ever be good enough for some of these people, so fascists will continue to keep their power.
Lots of people are good enough, they’re just not lifetime DNC candidates with compromised allegiances and paid by lobbyists.
Such a low hurdle will forever be insurmountable to some of these centrists.
X: We have a non-fascist competent party - ?
Y: No! Only leftism!
X: Well, howabout the fascist party.
Y: Only Leftism!
X: That’d be the fascist party then.
I don’t know about your country, but our “non-fascist” party lost to a cartoon villain, so I wouldn’t call them competent. All it would’ve taken was not treating their voters with disdain and acting like they cared, but apparently that was too difficult.
And before anyone tries to direct blame at the base that got demoralized by shitty leadership, actually consider why you never direct that blame at the people with all power to shape their campaigns; the people who are supposed to “represent” their constituents.
I wouldn’t call them competent.
Well you’d be wrong. We’d have a functioning government for one. For two, it’d be in line with the Constitution instead of in direct opposition to it helped along by six corrupt justices.
If that’s not competent, we might need to start with a definition.
All it would’ve taken was not treating their voters with disdain and acting like they cared
Ugh.
Ugh.
What? Is it so hard to believe that the Democrats dropped the ball? Do you not remember how they said nothing as police attacked student protesters during the free Palestine protests? When they said nothing as a group of random Israeli aligned thugs attacked people doing a peaceful sit in? When it took months for them to even acknowledge that Netanyahu wasn’t exactly looking out for hostages? This is all without missing the even bigger issue, “the economy stupid,” that they are still in denial about. Just because Trump’s actively crashing it doesn’t mean it was heading in the right direction before.
I’m not justifying anyone sitting out the election, but I am explaining why some people probably did. It doesn’t matter how competent they were in office when they lost to a fascist who told everyone his intentions to be a dictator. They weren’t even clear enough about it being the last election to prevent collapse of liberal democracy. They didn’t fear monger hard enough quite frankly, and they still don’t. It’s disappointing beyond words.
Theyfucked up normally. This wasn’t them going out of their way to “show they didn’t care”, and there were plenty of Dems who spoke out, they just don’t have the mic and themic owners aren’t going to give them it.
They played it safe, again, and they fucked up, again.
Frankly every single idiot bastard that didn’t vote or voted trump can be written off as a poor excuse for humanity for fucking this up. Yes, I blame the Democrats but not half as much as I blame these self-righteous fuckwits who chose not to vote or who voted trump.
Stupid fucking shitweasels got us here, maybe they should wake the fuck up to how they fucked up instead of pointing at the one national party that exists to support them.
I blame the people who voted Trump the most and the non voters the second most.
The Democrat should have been able to run a half empty can of expired crab juice and won.
The Democrat should have been able to run a half empty can of expired crab juice and won.
That’s the problem, they kept doing that every election.
And yet you’re still supporting the fascist. Interesting.
How is it supporting fascism? Please, enlighten us.
Biden did a fantastic job and they listened to the people who thought Biden was too old and ran Harris who would have been great.
Even if you don’t like her life would be a thousand times better right now for everyone in the world.
Biden did a terrible job. It took Biden hobbling out on stage, and making the Democrats the laughing stock of the world for them to do anything.
And what did they do? Put in a highly unpopular candidate, who kept saying that one of the least popular presidents we ever had was doing a good job.
Did you make this account just to say that?
A shame you don’t recognize how much of a problem the Democrats are. I voted blue just like I had in every election before then, but I was so angry and scared, because I saw all the mistakes they made that cost us everything. I saw them ignore young people on TikTok and Israel. I saw them shy away from every possible hint of populism. I saw as they denied that the economy was terrible, praying the inflation would even out even though inflation was merely the tip of the iceberg.
Life would be 1000 times better if Harris won, but the fault lies squarely on the ruling class and the party elites. They refused to do what was necessary to unite their base, and as disappointed as we can be in the voters working 9-5s with no hope of ever owning a future, it was the party’s responsibility to win them over. Instead they underperformed in all those demographics because they refused to acknowledge problems or propose solutions. A party that has only become worse and will only fight the left.
A shame you don’t recognize how much of a problem the Democrats are. I voted blue just like I had in every election before then, but I was so angry and scared, because I saw all the mistakes they made that cost us everything.
Kid, I don’t know how many decades you’ve been doing this, but I’ve been doing it longer. Don’t preach that shit to me. Your “ignoring kids on TikTok” is hilarious because it’s so far down the list of the ways in which they routinely fuck up.
Life would be 1000 times better if Harris won, but the fault lies squarely on the ruling class and the party elites.
Comrade, you can bourgoise yourself blue if you want to but that’s just jerking off and ignoring the real issues. The real issues are: public involvement, messaging, and organizational communication.
It’s not a cabal of Zionist elites wrecking things, that’s what Bolsheviks tell college kids because they don’t know any better. It’s getting people to show up, and allowing members to communicate as individuals while operating as a national millions-strong political entity.
It’s hard to do honestly. I mean, it’s easy to do if you’re corrupt, stupid, and fascist. It’s hard to do if you’re honestly trying to do the right thing.
And whichever large city you’re in, please note the Slaver’s College requires you to engage with vast tracts of unpopulated land, and maybe they’re not as on board with luxury gay space communism as we are yet. (See the “messaging” part.)
Your “ignoring kids on TikTok” is hilarious because it’s so far down the list of the ways in which they routinely fuck up.
It wasn’t an important issue in the grand scheme of things, but it probably had a larger impact in driving away kids than most people want to admit. Voters often ignore actually important issues in favor of what they see in their daily life.
Also not sure where you got the idea that I thought Jewish cabals were why Democrats lost. AIPAC strategies to sink Democrats that oppose them are well known and explain their influence in the party, but the Gaza issue alone was only one brick in a very large wall. I’m not sure why you think being condescending is helpful. I’m not even sure if you’re coming at this from a bone headed liberal perspective, or a boneheaded ml perspective; I guess they’re both the same at the end of the day.
When MAGA wanted change they took over the party.
The left just bitches that no one is listening to them and it’s sad.
Nah, what I’m saying is we need to take over the party and purge the feudalists acting as controlled opposition. That requires recognizing that there is a problem with the shit they feed us, not pretending that it’s anything but shit. That requires not doing the same fucking bullshit party elites do of denying that the situation is terrible. That requires not giving up and believing there is no other way than sucking corporate dick.
Fear is how MAGA radicalized their base, and we have nothing but reasons to be afraid right now.
they listened to the people who thought Biden was too old
WHAT? They refused to do it for so long it cost them the election.
That is some bad historical revisionism when it’s so fresh in our memory.
You’re not actually disagreeing. They did wait too long, but they did it. You agree. That in itself is important. Can you imagine any republiQan doing that? No, because they only think about themselves.
Hell, they elected a demented rapist who’s stroking out every week instead of a legitimate candidate.
Historical revisionism? Not at all.
The party has told their sheep to ignore their history, it’s time for party funding and voting for the “lesser evil”.
People who wanted Trump in or would didn’t care if he made it in or not cost them the election.
X: We have a non-fascist competent party - ?
Y: No! No parties, no state.
Y: No! No parties, no state.
Far out. Good luck! Watch out for human nature, i’ve heard it’s a real rhymes-with-witch.
lol you’re really leaning into the Democratic voter suppression the last day or so. What’s got your jimmies so ruffled? You bitched up because Charlie Kirk got shot and taking it out on the rest of us?
Nothing has changed in my views at all.
Are you annoyed that leftists have different opinions to you. Do you want to stop me from sharing mine so you can only promote yours?
lol
You’re not a leftist. You’re a fascist aggressively trying to devide actual leftists and prevent coalition building by creating false equivalence and misrepresenting other peoples opinions in an attempt to help fascists solidfy their power through voter suppression.
You’re a stochastic terrorist encouraging apathy and disengagement from people who may actually have good intentions around making genuine progress.
Oh get off it with the pseudo intellectual ad hominem nonsense.
Stop trying to co-opt a growing grass roots movement back towards the left, so that you can re-align it with some corpo-centrist nonsense that doesn’t hold up to what people want and need.
And you better start understanding fast that the fascists already have their power solidified.
lol
