It’s the idea that we can’t do two things at once, that we can’t both advocate for the ultimate goals while passing what can be passed currently, that I’m taking issue with.
The political reality is that we can’t even achieve what is realistic to even extremely jaded and cynical people. That’s a major problem and we desperately need a solution to properly address it. It’s distressing and extremely frustrating - it pushes many to hopelessness or worse. It likely pushes many into political disenfranchisement or political apathy.
Why is that being presented as the liberal position? I honestly can’t understand where it comes from - nobody I know of thinks that way, but it’s constantly what I’m accused of believing when I’ve been identified as being the wrong sort of liberal.
Identity politics and polarization online is rampant. I apologize if I offended you or misrepresented your position or intentions throughout this exchange. The thing with labels is that it invites stereotyping. People attach their personal experiences and beliefs onto labels. I do my best to see the person I’m talking to past the labels.
I understand the strategy you are proposing, but our democracy is fucking dead if we don’t start talking sense to real people. That means proposing solutions, perhaps compromising at times; but really doing our best to see things clearly and helping others to do the same (regardless of political polarization or labels).
We can’t do everything we should in society, because half of society opposes us rhetorically and ideologically.
…but that isn’t true. 77~ million people voted for Trump and there are over 340 million people in the US (and approximately 290 million US citizens). Many of those 77 million people that voted for Trump would think twice after seeing Matthew 25…
Why are we even fighting over this, I’ll happily support you while you strive for the big grand goals, are you wiling to support me while I trying to get the little things done along the way? I’m not going to not support the big grand goals either way, to be clear. This isn’t quid-pro-quo, just curiosity.
I’ll support you, 100% - with all of my heart. If you messaged me out of the blue and told me how I can directly support a lever being pulled or someone attempting to pull a lever, I’d do my best to do my part in any way that I can.
Will I support those complicit in genocide, who laugh at the notion of having a socialist or progressive perspective if elected? No, I’d rather die (I’m not kidding) than exist in a reality where I consent to any of that with a vote and I’m not sorry if you feel that makes me your enemy. There’s already not much keeping me here and my health isn’t very good, some project blame onto me for my decision to abstain (and they do frequently), but I don’t regret a damn thing because I wouldn’t be able to live with myself if I voted to support the state in question defending itself against women and children, and defending itself by conquering essentially the entire middle east in their openly expressed plans well before the election.
I believe that our political system is poisoning society to change. I’ll gladly support and vote for somebody who doesn’t laugh at the idea of being a progressive and proposes real change, even extremely watered-down change and very little of it, to boot - as long as they are genuinely and wholeheartedly going to work towards it and make a difference.
The political reality is that we can’t even achieve what is realistic to even extremely jaded and cynical people. That’s a major problem and we desperately need a solution to properly address it. It’s distressing and extremely frustrating - it pushes many to hopelessness or worse. It likely pushes many into political disenfranchisement or political apathy.
Identity politics and polarization online is rampant. I apologize if I offended you or misrepresented your position or intentions throughout this exchange. The thing with labels is that it invites stereotyping. People attach their personal experiences and beliefs onto labels. I do my best to see the person I’m talking to past the labels.
I understand the strategy you are proposing, but our democracy is fucking dead if we don’t start talking sense to real people. That means proposing solutions, perhaps compromising at times; but really doing our best to see things clearly and helping others to do the same (regardless of political polarization or labels).
…but that isn’t true. 77~ million people voted for Trump and there are over 340 million people in the US (and approximately 290 million US citizens). Many of those 77 million people that voted for Trump would think twice after seeing Matthew 25…
I’ll support you, 100% - with all of my heart. If you messaged me out of the blue and told me how I can directly support a lever being pulled or someone attempting to pull a lever, I’d do my best to do my part in any way that I can.
Will I support those complicit in genocide, who laugh at the notion of having a socialist or progressive perspective if elected? No, I’d rather die (I’m not kidding) than exist in a reality where I consent to any of that with a vote and I’m not sorry if you feel that makes me your enemy. There’s already not much keeping me here and my health isn’t very good, some project blame onto me for my decision to abstain (and they do frequently), but I don’t regret a damn thing because I wouldn’t be able to live with myself if I voted to support the state in question defending itself against women and children, and defending itself by conquering essentially the entire middle east in their openly expressed plans well before the election.
I believe that our political system is poisoning society to change. I’ll gladly support and vote for somebody who doesn’t laugh at the idea of being a progressive and proposes real change, even extremely watered-down change and very little of it, to boot - as long as they are genuinely and wholeheartedly going to work towards it and make a difference.