This is why I’m always a bit askance when presented with Atheism as some kind of enlightened philosophy.

Its not a philosophy, its a position on the existence of god.

is kinda simple-minded and divorced from any historical perspective on its face.

Its simple because its only a statement of belief in no god in the form of identification. A historical perspective is not needed to come to a conclusion as to whether people who believe in god are stupid or smart. You can also do that through thinking about their rationality or logical process for coming to those conclusions.

You’re casually dismissing whole intermediate strains of philosophical and literary development

If I wrote a philosophy or theology about how everything is made of bananas, and then for hundreds/thousands of years people argued about the nuances of my absurd and baseless belief system I think it’d be fair to dismiss it anyway. It doesn’t matter how much fan fiction is written about Musaceae-ology. You don’t have to read it, you can safely ignore it.

He was being a bad person the moment he thought “I hope she gets abused by her boyfriend.” No need to do research on the guy after that point.

That said, he’d only saying that because hes incredibly close to being depressed and in extreme self loathing in response to being rejected and trying to protect his his will to live via delusional projection and lashing out. “She’s the one with a problem not me. I’m great. She’s a piece of shit and deserves to suffer.”

People who don’t delude themselves about how great they are unfortunately usually don’t respond to rejection with “I need to improve myself” or “I’m just not his/her type I’ll find someone.” but with “I should kill myself, its hopeless. I’ll be romantically alone forever and I can’t take it.” and the sheer mortal terror of potentially thinking that way causes the delusional insulation and projection.

I’m bi (specifically polysexual, but that gets confusing because its less well known and I’m also polyamorous) and my attraction to specific genitals is roughly equal to body morphology and a cute face’s importance, but I’m simply way less less picky about them.

I wish I was just as non-picky about the body morphology and cute faces. My romantic life would probably have been way more fulfilling at this point if that had been the case.

I oscillate between wishing I was attracted to basically everyone with every possible kink (outside of the unethical options) and no attraction at all.

Perhaps I came off as too hostile. I read your comment and I thought it was potentially harmful and I’m incredibly depressed, so I wrote a hasty sniping response. I tend to think of things said as their effects in aggregate rather than the virtue of the person saying it.

I’m also bi and arguably aromantic. And intend to remain childfree.

Its a normative statement. It contributes to alienating people without wives or kids.

Asking me out is a step beyond complimenting my appearance though.

If they were so bold as to ask me out they weren’t afraid of coming off as creepy.

I consider it normative to suggest that such is “normal” and suggests not having a wife or kid(s) as “abnormal”. At least by implication.

No.

I mean it was pretty strongly implied but ok

I’ve had women ask me out who had literally never said a positive thing about my appearance a singular time before hand.

“Wife and a kid” = normal life.

hmmmm.

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Yeah this is unacceptable behavior. That said I think this is something that ought to be just explained to him because he might legitimately be a total dumbass.

That said I wish more restaurants were like Fuddruckers or Firehouse Subs and just let me grab my food from the counter myself once it was done. I don’t really want to pay someone to carry my food & drinks to me and be possibly insincerely nice to me to increase their tip or whatever.

For once I think I agree with Linux purists.

Fuck I might need a shower.

And I’m not saying that homophobia, internalized or not, shouldn’t be considered.

Yeah I know you aren’t saying that. In the same way that I’d still consider sexism/mysogyny as a possibility of being their primary reason. Its just not my first thought based on my experiences and intuition.

As you say, there are other reasons to engage in such behavior. But a) I’m probably going to be reasonably skeptical of those reasons and b) even if they have those reasons, it doesn’t make them not a misogynist.

FWIW I’m gay and nonbinary. I get where concern for homophobia is coming from. It’s just not my first thought in the specific scenario we’re discussing.

Yeah I understand that is your stance, what I don’t understand is why you’d suspect that over homophobia. That’s what I’m legitimately curious about.

Like, is it the same as me, in that its based on your personal experiences and knowledge of your own internal knowledge of your mind when you were younger? Is it more of some kind of logical/rational analysis? or statistical fact? Is it intuition? Ideological frameworks?

I just don’t understand why this is your thinking and I’d like to know. I’m not saying you are wrong, my own beliefs aren’t on like, rock solid critical thinking or facts or whatever. Its personal experience.

If you think we were worse off 20 years ago, you either are a psychopath or you are clueless.

Life is going to get a whole hell of a lot worse for a fuck ton of people because Trump won. Way more than during W. Bush.

You are OK with death and suffering if there is a light at the end of a tunnel. You are a psychopath who views individuals as disposable as long as humanity/civilization benefits in the long run.

If you’re interested in discourse, read what I already wrote. I said “I’d be more worried about misogyny” not that it would in fact make a person misogynistic.

I’m terribly sorry but I’m confused by what the meaningful difference is? I feel like you were trying to communicate something very specific here and I’m missing it.

Is is a problem to acknowledge that some people who would engage in that kind of behavior might be misogynistic in your mind?

No, its not a problem exactly. Its a reasonable possibility and it makes sense to be concerned about. A lot of men are dumb chuds, and women-hatred goes along with that. However, I don’t think its realistic as a base assumption that its a larger possibility over homophobia for it to be your primary concern. Admittedly, this is more based on my own experiences though and trying to put myself in the shoes of someone who’d care to install something like that.

Like, I know I clearly had internalized homophobia when I thought I was straight. And I was exposed to a lot more homophobia from my male peers than misogyny growing up. I saw and heard both, but one was WAY more intense and it was the homophobia.

That is to say, I’d bet the reason a person would do this is because of insecurity over potentially being gay/bi far more than because they are that obsessed with “putting women in their place” in their private video game time, other than on the basis of using the game as porn/erotica if they have some kind of kink and for whatever reason like using video games for that purpose rather than just regular purpose made porn/erotica.

The sort of guy who’s primary reason for wanting to flatten men’s asses in a video game would be because they view women as subhuman or something would make them unhinged and a rare breed of incel. While it being because they’re insecure about their sexuality seems just… more likely to me.

I would have fought with you maybe if some people (supposedly “on my side”) had not decided to spitefully activate hard mode.