• @bouh@lemmy.world
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    01 year ago

    What about all these capitalist places that fell into fascism? What about the successful capitalist states that are currently falling into fascism?

    • CHINESEBOTTROLL
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      01 year ago

      What about them? The choices here are not “what we have now” vs “trust the people that want to try communism again”

      • @bouh@lemmy.world
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        01 year ago

        My point is about the flawed argument : “communism is bad because the attempts have failed”. Well, there are more capitalist attempts that failed than communist ones, so the argument doesn’t hold.

        • CHINESEBOTTROLL
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          01 year ago

          My argument is not “look how many attempts have failed” but “look, of all of these many attempts, every single one has turned into a kafkaesque nightmare”. At this point it is not even clear that “successful communism” is something that can exist in our world

          On the other hand, while many (depending on your perspective you might even say most) capitalist systems fail, there are absolutely some that work ok. Of course nothing is perfect in the real world. But the life of say a danish person is not only materially well off, but also free and full of dignity, which was true of none of the experiments in communism

          • @bouh@lemmy.world
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            -11 year ago

            I’m pretty sure many Chinese are well off, free and full of dignity.

            It’s also easier to be a successful country when you’re not under ambargo just because you’re not sold to capitalist companies. Did the US left even one communist country live normally?

            But more importantly, how many successful capitalist countries, today, aren’t going fascist at full speed?