For context: People are claiming that Hasan Piker shocked his dog with a shock collar on stream for basically no reason and got very mad at him. He put out a video showing her collar for 0.001 seconds in the world’s most awkward hand grip and saying it was clearly a vibration collar and his enemies are trying to ruin his life as they always do. People including myself are still suspicious.
I looked at the allegations in this video myself a little, and I won’t swear to the model numbers or anything but it all sounds right to me. You may need to pause the video to look at his images, he scrolls past them irritatingly quickly. There does however definitely look to me to be tape on the back of that thing. This is from Hasan’s explanation stream where he showed the collar:
Click to see the raw image and zoom it, and you’ll see pretty clearly that most of the box is shiny dark black plastic with bright white highlights, and then there’s a clear off-kilter rectangle of something that’s matte dark grey instead, without much in the way of highlights. You can also see vague shadows of two little circular things that could be prong sockets covered by tape or could just be weird compression artifacts or something.
Here it is with contrast adjusted:
You can see the rectangle of the tape, and then some kind of distortion at the top that might be a prong socket, and a pretty clear circular shape at the bottom that definitely looks like it could be one.
In another part of the video you can see that circular part under the tape even more clearly. Look between his fingers to see the clear circular shape, you can even see wrinkles in the tape around the circular protrusion:
Yes, I’m already aware that the Hasan stans will say I’m making all this up and it’s not there and they don’t see anything. Anyway, that’s what it is. If I did my math right, those frames are from https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2586575954 and the timestamps are, respectively for the three images:
- 43:58.396
- 44:09.292
- 44:09.333
Somebody inform reddit, the drama must flow.
You should know that this guy is a Palestinian genocide denier.
Do you mean Ethan Klein? Because yeah, he is a genocide-denying piece of shit. That doesn’t make shock collars okay to use.
The rape allegations against Neil Gaiman were first publicized by a TERF; he doesn’t get a pass either.
No, I mean the guy in this video.
Okay. Them being pieces of shit doesn’t make it okay to use a shock collar on your dog.
It also doesn’t make the conclusion of abuse any less spurious.
If you want to debunk the actual claim rather than the person it comes from, we’re all ears.
Which claim? That his dog wears a shock collar? That he used it during a stream? Or that (granting the two previous claims) this stands as evidence that he abuses his dog?
I’m far more interested in why some people are so eager to litigate a political commentator’s relationship with his dog when the bulk of his commentary is pointed at western-backed genocidal apartheid states.
He hates Israel because they’re western-backed, not because they’re a genocidal apartheid state. C.f. his views on Ukraine and Russia.
People can have room for more than one opinion at the same time.
Apparently not.
Because most people conscously or subconcously expect better treatment towards pets than other fellow humans. It’s like children. Unless you’re an Israeli or conservative looking at a brown child, nobody stans child abusers.
“Why are people eager to litigate this incident?”
Yes, that’s the motivation i’m pointing to.
They were doing that, super vigorously, up until about a day ago when it became pretty clear that Hasan was lying. Now, all of a sudden, the identity of the messenger is the only thing worth talking about (and also why you keep talking about this, bro, I think you’re taking streamer drama WAY too seriously…)
I haven’t spent a single comment debunking anything in this story.
You’re welcome to, if you would like to. I would actually really like for someone from Hasan’s followers to try to explain why this post is not factually solid.
I wasn’t specifically talking about you. I just noticed that the initial narrative was dew claws and airtags, and then it was vibrating collars, and now it’s shifted over to 100% attacking the messenger and they’re not at all interested in talking about how it’s obviously an airtag collar and anyone who can’t see that is stupid.
I am not at all, but you all should know that this guy is willing to excuse and deflect away from animal abuse when it’s being done by his favorite streamer.
Honestly, one guy on Twitch who inflicts pain on his dog sometimes when he’s angry about his tech not working right isn’t the end of the world in the nonstop circus of horrors that is geopolitics. But this whole mentality “but he’s my guy, so he didn’t do anything wrong” is a dangerous enough pattern to be worth pushing back hard against, when it happens, I think. That’s part of why I am even taking all this streamer drama seriously in any respect in the first place. And, of course, someone who’s willing to lie to everyone’s face about what they literally watched happen on stream with their own two eyes probably isn’t a good person to put in your close and trusted circle of “influencers.”
Nono, I mean the guy presenting you this evidence in the video. Lonerbox is a genocide denying zionist and has had a two-year-long feud against piker.
It should be a red flag that all the creators dedicating resources to covering this slop are outspoken zionists.
Couldn’t care less. Just as “But he’s Hasan, he would never do that!” doesn’t really mean anything to me, “But he’s a Zionist, he’s obviously wrong!” doesn’t either.
I didn’t really say anything about this video until I had a chance to go through Hasan’s stream and check it out and this is definitely legit. He bought a shock collar and then covered it up with tape to pretend it was a vibration collar. As far as I’m concerned that makes it about 100% likely that he also shocked his dog and lied about that, too. If the other guy’s a Zionist, then sure, he’s a piece of shit too (as long as it’s not one of those “Bernie is a Zionist” clever wordplay constructions where as long as he doesn’t literally want Israel destroyed, he’s a Zionist). They can both be pieces of shit. Hasan still shocked his dog and lied about it, and fuck him for that, whatever else is happening with whatever else.
Yes i think that’s pretty emblematic of the situation
You’re parasocially obsessing over a political streamer who has primarily been covering the Palestinian genocide, alongside streamers who have primarily defended it while mercilessly attacking streamers and artists speaking against Israel. Either you don’t know you’re stepping into two years worth of streamer drama slop, or you’re opportunistically jumping on because of your own distaste for his politics.
Either way, the situation you’ve dedicated the last three days to on this account is certainly not worth yours or anyone else’s time unless you happen to be personally invested in the relative influence of this specific political commentator.
I just like dogs. I think if he’s shocking his dog and lying about it, he’s a piece of shit. That’s about the end of it.
I think i said this before, what you’re saying is precisely the logic that tight-knit Christian communities use to protect sexual abusers who are highly placed in the community. It is 100% the same. “How DARE you say this about this person, don’t you know how much good they do, look what bad people their enemies are, you’re probably just confused by all those rumors out there, but it’s BAD people starting those rumors, and look what an important role they play, now I question if YOU’RE one of the bad people…”
I notice also that we only pivoted to
“it’s all just drama from his enemies”“why are you talking about this so much”“you’re ruining Palestine with all this posting” after it become extremely objectively clear what actually happened. Before that it was all dew claws, close-ups of freezes from the stream, waving around vibrating collars on stream, that kind of thing. Now we’re all of a sudden in a landscape where there are much bigger issues at play aside from, did he actually shock that dog or not.I posted one video two days ago, then got a tide of incoming accusation and kerfuffle for a day and a half, and then earlier today I decided I would respond to a lot of the incoming hate-mail I was getting from Hasan stans by just posting a new video of something objectively illustrating that Hasan is actually a piece of shit to his dog, every time I got some kind of hate mail. This guy was the one that finally pushed me over the edge to do it:
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/16741177
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/16741569
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/16740783
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/16740913
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/16748637
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/16755963
And so on, there’s more, that’s about half of it. Anyway, I think about 75% of my posts today are in response to stuff like that. I decided it would be funnier to make a new post every time I got one of those, and respond to him with a link to the new post, instead of reporting him. And you know what? I stand by that decision.
(He’s also one of those “Kamala Harris would have been just as bad” people, if you want to aim some of that analyzing-political-motives around at anyone else. That’s one of the other comments he likes to copy-paste to people sometimes, check his profile.)
Yes, your well-documented interest in dogs, and not your woefully underrepresented distaste for a specific type of leftist commentary that piker happens to advocate for.
You’re actually 100% right about that. I actually forgot about this, but I talked about it here:
https://lemmy.world/search?q=hasan&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=15951251&page=1&sort=Old
I completely forgot about that stuff. He was saying that basically every country in the world except America was backing Russia in Ukraine. Something like that. I don’t fully remember (and I guess the post got deleted?), but yes, I think he’s incredibly ignorant about world issues, and incredibly hostile to anyone who does know what they’re talking about who disagrees with him, and then cloaks in in this shield of performative leftist anti-Imperialism in a way that garners him supporters without him needing to be worth listening to.
And in particular there’s a huge following that sees that he’s pro-Palestinian, and then they start supporting him, and that becomes a shield for any kind of wrong or toxic thing he wants to do. I’m pro-Palestinian. You’re pro-Palestinian. Hasan is pro-Palestinian. Bernie Sanders is pro-Palestinian. It’s fine. It is the only moral viewpoint. But he understands that in the modern left it’s this kind of trump card where if someone convinces their idiot supporters (like you, right now) to attack everyone who’s “against” him by implying that they’re ANTI-Palestinian, because what other type of person would EVER attack a PRO-Palestinian, they can literally get away with torturing a dog on stream and everyone will look the other way for them.
That’s why I compare it to small town Christian communities. It’s 100% the same. It is to a T. He’s the people who go out to eat after church and tip fifty cents. He’s the people who torment their stepchildren without mercy, are just blowhard pieces of shit on a personal level, but no one will say a word against them, because they’re PRO-Christian in a huge way and big names in the community, and so… you get the idea.
So yes, I have distaste for “a specific type of leftist community.” I honestly didn’t pay enough attention to Hasan before this to see it in any level of detail, I just saw that one video 2 months ago. And sure, maybe it’s fair to say that I should watch some of his streams that haven’t been cherry-picked to look bad by someone with malicious intentions. That’s completely fair, I really will do that. But honestly everything I have seen, including stuff that was cherry-picked by his supporters as a “gotcha” against my POV (when he was showing the dog collar on stream and explaining himself), has made me think he is pro-Palestine’s TV evangelist preacher, and y’all are the suckers who keep sending your retirement money hoping he’ll bring Gaza to the promised land, when all he wants to do is buy more cars for himself with it or whatever. Has he been covering the flotilla? Has he been burning up about all the protests spreading in Europe now? What’s he been talking about? I haven’t seen, maybe he is, tell me.
Honestly I appreciate this whole interaction because now I can see more clearly I think. Whatever was burning me up to interact about the topic of the dog-shocking (to this, sure, a little excessive degree) is gone now, I think, because the thing I was wanting to know or wanting to understand is resolved for me now.
Hmmm, now who would that be