77 years of being attacked from all sides. What would be your limit?
It seems like every time Israel gets fed up with the attacks, the wars. the rockets, and the guerilla attacks. They lose their shit and start to push Gaza into the sea. Then America or NATO step in and persuade them to compose themselves and stop. Every time Israel is attacked they fight back and gain more land. I ran out of any compassion for the people among the aggressors in the 90’s. It seems like they would have done something about it by now rather than being complicit.
The only way there is going to be any peace in Gaza is if Hamas is driven out of Gaza for good. Hamas could do the Nobel thing and fuck off, but they’ve spent decades using the people of Gaza as their shields while Iran and the other surrounding counties use Hamas as a tool to strike at Israel. I’ve stopped caring. This is going to end. One way or another. I say let Israel end the war. They seem to be really good at it after all these years of practice.
You mean 77 years after the displacement of 713 000 Palestinians in 1948 and the Israeli operation codenamed “cast thy bread” in which the main objective was to poison all wells in Palestine to ensure there’s nothing to return to and secure the much needed land expansion. Or did you mean October 1956? Oh wait, no… Israel was the aggressor there. More land. And like any typical abuser, they’ll take on the role of the victim whenever anyone calls them out on their shitty behaviour.
The only way there will ever be peace in Palestine is when Israel is abolished. Israel could do the human thing and fuck off, instead they commit systemic acts of terror, rape, and murder of innocent children, women, and men.
Because they’ve been committing all manners of atrocities against Palestinians for more than 77 years. Name one war Israel fought (edit: clarification) which started by them being unfairly attacked. If there are many, pick the most egregious example.
It seems like they would have done something about it by now rather than being complicit.
Every time Israel is attacked they fight back and gain more land.
You mean every time Israel finds an excuse to attack they get more land? Yes, that’s how colonization worke,
Complicit in… what? Resistance? Trying to gain the human rights they’ve been denied for generations? What the heck do you want them to do instead?
The only way there is going to be any peace in Gaza is if Hamas is driven out of Gaza for good.
Cue, the West Bank.
PS: I didn’t comment on all the misinformation because it doesn’t excuse what you’re saying even if it was true. Oh, and also: Reported for genocide apologia.
Guess what. Israel exists. Before they owned the land someone else did. And someone else did before that. And on, and on, back to the Palaeolithic era. You and I arguing in some obscure corner of the internet no one will ever see isn’t going to bring about world peace. Israel fought to exist, and they’ve succeeded at it. The aggressors who keep attacking them after they have been told to stop… they may not exist much longer. They sent paragliders into Israel and killed people two years ago. You saying what is happening today is an atrocity and me saying is self defense isn’t going to change a damn thing. All we are doing is rightly stating our opinions on the situation. None of them are likely the true facts. The fact is that victor is going to write the history. I’m saying it’s going to be Israel.
The only way there is going to be any peace in Gaza is if Hamas is driven out of Gaza for good.
The people of Gaza, even those who have turned to violence and extremism, are native to that land. The majority of Israelis are not. So the fairer solution for the conflict would be for the settlers to go back wherever they’re from, and leave the locals alone.
“BuT tHeY aRe CoLoNiZeRs AnD iSrAeL sHoUlDn’T eXiSt!”
Cool. So every country is gonna give back their land to the indigenous peoples they took it from, right? Right?!
We can start with America and work our way down the list from there.
Someday people will figure out that all of this, all of it, everything we have, is built with the blood of innocents. And we only have three options now: start repairing these relationships through kindness, grace, and good works; watch one side wipe out the other; or fuel the ongoing violence in perpetuity.
That’s all we have left and I personally prefer the first option but so, so many people opt for 2 or 3 that it makes me numb.
BuT tHeY aRe CoLoNiZeRs AnD iSrAeL sHoUlDn’T eXiSt
Cool. So every country is gonna give back their land to the indigenous peoples they took it from, right? Right?!
First: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Back. Second: Israeli oppression isn’t limited to the past; it’s an omnipresent facet of Palestinian life even when there’s no full-blown genocide going on. Israel shouldn’t exist because it’s presently a colonizer state actively doing colonization; at least states like America have evolved past their settler colonialist roots to some extent. Third: What kindness do you want the West Bank to offer Israel? Tell me in detail what you’re proposing here.
I know. I’m in favor, to the degree that it’s possible and non-punitive. But until we’re prepared to do it at home we cannot be demanding it abroad
I fully concur that Israel is an oppressive state and deserves sanctions. Even more so now. Netenyahu is a criminal and so is most of his cabinet. I won’t equivocate on that. The hasidics especially are despicable. I just know there are a whole lot of reasonable people living in Israel who ought not lose their nationality at this stage
first of all I never said which had to come from where or when. But if you want to be serious, them I expect kindness in the form of ousting Hamas. That’s it. Get rid of the people whose charter is the destruction of the Jewish state in favor of their own.
Edit: call it performative, but you were at 0 votes on your reply and I’m using my vote to put you at +1 because you are engaging in genuine dialogue, so far
But until we’re prepared to do it at home we cannot be demanding it abroad
Why…? It’s possible (and, in fact, imperative) to confront justice at home and abroad.
I just know there are a whole lot of reasonable people living in Israel who ought not lose their nationality at this stage
I mean, I don’t think they’ll be especially hurt if the citizenship portion of their passport changes from “Israel” to “Palestine” or “Israel but without Apartheid.” “Kick them all out” isn’t a common proposal at all in serious policy discussions; hell it’s not even what Hamas is pushing for.
But if you want to be serious, them I expect kindness in the form of ousting Hamas.
Hamas doesn’t have a significant presence in the West Bank, which is why I specified it: There’s (essentially) no Hamas in the West Bank, but they’re still being driven from their lands day by day. It’s a perfect natural experiment on what you can expect without Hamas (and without armed resistance, more broadly), and the results aren’t what you proposed.
Get rid of the people whose charter is the destruction of the Jewish state in favor of their own.
As of at least 2017, that is not necessarily the case, but also: Why is it wrong to attempt to depose the state whose central motivation and ideological basis is oppressing and ethnically cleansing them? If deposing Hamas was a realistic solution to anything, there would’ve been some progress towards peace in the West Bank rather than ever-escalating ethnic cleansing. The reason Hamas isn’t being deposed is that there’s no reason for a Palestinian (or, frankly, anyone else) to believe their liberation will come without armed struggle. Israel has been shown kindness repeatedly in the past but completely failed to reciprocate it.
77 years of being attacked from all sides. What would be your limit? It seems like every time Israel gets fed up with the attacks, the wars. the rockets, and the guerilla attacks. They lose their shit and start to push Gaza into the sea. Then America or NATO step in and persuade them to compose themselves and stop. Every time Israel is attacked they fight back and gain more land. I ran out of any compassion for the people among the aggressors in the 90’s. It seems like they would have done something about it by now rather than being complicit.
The only way there is going to be any peace in Gaza is if Hamas is driven out of Gaza for good. Hamas could do the Nobel thing and fuck off, but they’ve spent decades using the people of Gaza as their shields while Iran and the other surrounding counties use Hamas as a tool to strike at Israel. I’ve stopped caring. This is going to end. One way or another. I say let Israel end the war. They seem to be really good at it after all these years of practice.
You mean 77 years after the displacement of 713 000 Palestinians in 1948 and the Israeli operation codenamed “cast thy bread” in which the main objective was to poison all wells in Palestine to ensure there’s nothing to return to and secure the much needed land expansion. Or did you mean October 1956? Oh wait, no… Israel was the aggressor there. More land. And like any typical abuser, they’ll take on the role of the victim whenever anyone calls them out on their shitty behaviour.
The only way there will ever be peace in Palestine is when Israel is abolished. Israel could do the human thing and fuck off, instead they commit systemic acts of terror, rape, and murder of innocent children, women, and men.
you mean 77 years of your neighbours being upset at you for constant warcrimes and a genocide?
yhea, that’s a you problem
Because they’ve been committing all manners of atrocities against Palestinians for more than 77 years. Name one war Israel fought (edit: clarification) which started by them being unfairly attacked. If there are many, pick the most egregious example.
You mean every time Israel finds an excuse to attack they get more land? Yes, that’s how colonization worke,
Complicit in… what? Resistance? Trying to gain the human rights they’ve been denied for generations? What the heck do you want them to do instead?
Cue, the West Bank.
PS: I didn’t comment on all the misinformation because it doesn’t excuse what you’re saying even if it was true. Oh, and also: Reported for genocide apologia.
Guess what. Israel exists. Before they owned the land someone else did. And someone else did before that. And on, and on, back to the Palaeolithic era. You and I arguing in some obscure corner of the internet no one will ever see isn’t going to bring about world peace. Israel fought to exist, and they’ve succeeded at it. The aggressors who keep attacking them after they have been told to stop… they may not exist much longer. They sent paragliders into Israel and killed people two years ago. You saying what is happening today is an atrocity and me saying is self defense isn’t going to change a damn thing. All we are doing is rightly stating our opinions on the situation. None of them are likely the true facts. The fact is that victor is going to write the history. I’m saying it’s going to be Israel.
The land was bought to the British and the brits stole it in the first place idiot
The people of Gaza, even those who have turned to violence and extremism, are native to that land. The majority of Israelis are not. So the fairer solution for the conflict would be for the settlers to go back wherever they’re from, and leave the locals alone.
“BuT tHeY aRe CoLoNiZeRs AnD iSrAeL sHoUlDn’T eXiSt!”
Cool. So every country is gonna give back their land to the indigenous peoples they took it from, right? Right?!
We can start with America and work our way down the list from there.
Someday people will figure out that all of this, all of it, everything we have, is built with the blood of innocents. And we only have three options now: start repairing these relationships through kindness, grace, and good works; watch one side wipe out the other; or fuel the ongoing violence in perpetuity.
That’s all we have left and I personally prefer the first option but so, so many people opt for 2 or 3 that it makes me numb.
I wish. And while we’re at it, tell the British Museum to return the stuff they stole.
First: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Back. Second: Israeli oppression isn’t limited to the past; it’s an omnipresent facet of Palestinian life even when there’s no full-blown genocide going on. Israel shouldn’t exist because it’s presently a colonizer state actively doing colonization; at least states like America have evolved past their settler colonialist roots to some extent. Third: What kindness do you want the West Bank to offer Israel? Tell me in detail what you’re proposing here.
I know. I’m in favor, to the degree that it’s possible and non-punitive. But until we’re prepared to do it at home we cannot be demanding it abroad
I fully concur that Israel is an oppressive state and deserves sanctions. Even more so now. Netenyahu is a criminal and so is most of his cabinet. I won’t equivocate on that. The hasidics especially are despicable. I just know there are a whole lot of reasonable people living in Israel who ought not lose their nationality at this stage
first of all I never said which had to come from where or when. But if you want to be serious, them I expect kindness in the form of ousting Hamas. That’s it. Get rid of the people whose charter is the destruction of the Jewish state in favor of their own.
Edit: call it performative, but you were at 0 votes on your reply and I’m using my vote to put you at +1 because you are engaging in genuine dialogue, so far
I cannot imagine anything more trivial than that.
Why…? It’s possible (and, in fact, imperative) to confront justice at home and abroad.
I mean, I don’t think they’ll be especially hurt if the citizenship portion of their passport changes from “Israel” to “Palestine” or “Israel but without Apartheid.” “Kick them all out” isn’t a common proposal at all in serious policy discussions; hell it’s not even what Hamas is pushing for.
Hamas doesn’t have a significant presence in the West Bank, which is why I specified it: There’s (essentially) no Hamas in the West Bank, but they’re still being driven from their lands day by day. It’s a perfect natural experiment on what you can expect without Hamas (and without armed resistance, more broadly), and the results aren’t what you proposed.
As of at least 2017, that is not necessarily the case, but also: Why is it wrong to attempt to depose the state whose central motivation and ideological basis is oppressing and ethnically cleansing them? If deposing Hamas was a realistic solution to anything, there would’ve been some progress towards peace in the West Bank rather than ever-escalating ethnic cleansing. The reason Hamas isn’t being deposed is that there’s no reason for a Palestinian (or, frankly, anyone else) to believe their liberation will come without armed struggle. Israel has been shown kindness repeatedly in the past but completely failed to reciprocate it.