80% of Jewish Israelis don’t feel anything when shown pictures of starving Palestinians, so “normal” Israelis are clearly in the minority here
You went a little bit overboard here with the misinformation propaganda, mate. If you wrote something like “60%” I would’ve probably believed and moved on. But the 80% is such a ridiculously high number that it can only exist in the mind of someone who believes that Israelis are the Devil Incarnate.
First of all: I love how you people always claim that “citing Israeli sources is stupid” when it comes to Palestine, but you’re all good using it when it suits you.
Second of all: that “80%” number…
The number itself never shows up in any relation to hunger, but let’s assume you rounded it up from something. Let’s look for those bloodthirsty 80% of Israelis who feel nothing when shown a photograph of a starving human…
78% of Jewish Israelis and 22.5% of Arab Israelis think that, given the circumstances of the fighting in Gaza, Israel is making efforts to avoid causing suffering to the Palestinian population there.
Hmm… Not quite. What about:
The majority of Jewish respondents think that, given the circumstances of the fighting in Gaza, Israel is making efforts to avoid causing suffering to the Palestinian population there
Ahh, no there too.
Maybe something about “being troubled” by what’s going on?
On a personal level, the majority in the Center and on the Right (Jewish respondents) say that they are not troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza. On the Left, the majority reported that they are personally troubled by these reports.
Ah, damn! Nowhere near 80% of the entire population, is it? Let’s look further - if they’re so bloodthirsty, they’ll clearly be happy about what the settlers are doing against Palestinians in the West Bank, right?
Regarding violence by groups of settlers against Palestinians in the West Bank / Judea and Samaria, the findings are remarkably similar to those for the previous question—the largest share of respondents think that the authorities are acting too leniently
Oops! They’re against that… Damn! OK, let’s look further, it’s got to be there somewhere, right?
Well, no. You’re just full of shit as there was - fucking obviously - no "showing of pictures of starving children.
The closest we get is the answer to these questions:
Which of the following claims is more correct? (%)
Even with the restrictions imposed by the fighting, Israel could significantly reduce the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza, but chooses not to.
Israel’s actions are restricted by the fighting, but it is making substantial efforts to avoid causing unnecessary suffering to Palestinians in Gaza.
With the responses being:
Among the Israeli Jews: 15% chose (1), 78% chose (2).
Among the Arab Jews: 66.5% chose (1), 22.5% chose (2).
The closest thing we get to what you claimed is this question:
Personally troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza (Jews; %)
Where 70% of Israelis on the Left side of the political spectrum say… they are absolutely troubled by it. 32% of Centre and 6% of Right are, which - while horrible - is nowhere near “aren’t bothered by a photograph of a starving child”…
First of all: I love how you people always claim that “citing Israeli sources is stupid” when it comes to Palestine, but you’re all good using it when it suits you.
Uh… do you understand the concept of conflict of interest? Citing the Israeli government (especially the IDF) or Zionist Israeli NGOs when they make a pro-Israeli point is stupid because they lie literally all the time. Citing Israeli data or research in general is not, provided it’s coming from a source that hasn’t been routinely making up shit longer than I’ve been alive.
That aside, you should’ve asked for a source and saved yourself the effort. The data is from your link, specifically this passage:
From examining the conduct of the state, we moved to a more personal question, asking: “To what extent are you personally troubled or not troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza?” A very large majority of Jewish respondents reported that they are not so troubled or not at all troubled personally by events in Gaza (79%),
Now to be fair, I misremembered when I said “they feel nothing when shown pictures of starving Palestinians,” I’ll own that, but I believe that 79% of answers to “Personally troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza” being “no” still validates my original point.
Uh… do you understand the concept of conflict of interest? Citing the Israeli government (especially the IDF) or Zionist Israeli NGOs when they make a pro-Israeli point is stupid because they lie literally all the time
Sure. And yet, when I was citing IDI - when they were making pro-Israeli statements (or rather: not flat out anti-Israeli statements) - people were getting up in arms because “it’s an Israeli source, of course they’re lying”.
Now to be fair, I misremembered when I said “they feel nothing when shown pictures of starving Palestinians,” I’ll own that, but I believe that 79% of answers to “Personally troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza” being “no” still validates my original point.
Props to you for owning up to that (I’m 100% serious), but that’s still misrepresenting the actual data.
The first thing they taught me when I was studying Ethnology was: “don’t forget the context in which data is being presented”.
The question is: “To what extent are you personally troubled or not troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population”.
And considering 70% of the population believes the IDF’s reports regarding the situation, the number makes much more sense - they’re not troubled by the reports of famine, because they don’t believe the reports of famine.
So, from your “80% of Israelis feel nothing when shown a starving Palestinian” we end up at “70% of Israelis believe the IDF’s reports and therefore don’t believe there’s a humanitarian crisis happening in Gaza”. And then, when you add to this the fact that literally every single Israeli (other than the Orthodox) has come through the IDF as part of the mandatory training, this makes even more sense - they instinctively refuse to believe that the organisation they’ve been a part of could lie to this extent.
You went a little bit overboard here with the misinformation propaganda, mate. If you wrote something like “60%” I would’ve probably believed and moved on. But the 80% is such a ridiculously high number that it can only exist in the mind of someone who believes that Israelis are the Devil Incarnate.
So I went looking. The only source I could find for anything close to what you’re describing is the Israeli Democracy Institute’s research
First of all: I love how you people always claim that “citing Israeli sources is stupid” when it comes to Palestine, but you’re all good using it when it suits you.
Second of all: that “80%” number…
The number itself never shows up in any relation to hunger, but let’s assume you rounded it up from something. Let’s look for those bloodthirsty 80% of Israelis who feel nothing when shown a photograph of a starving human…
Hmm… Not quite. What about:
Ahh, no there too.
Maybe something about “being troubled” by what’s going on?
Ah, damn! Nowhere near 80% of the entire population, is it? Let’s look further - if they’re so bloodthirsty, they’ll clearly be happy about what the settlers are doing against Palestinians in the West Bank, right?
Oops! They’re against that… Damn! OK, let’s look further, it’s got to be there somewhere, right?
Well, no. You’re just full of shit as there was - fucking obviously - no "showing of pictures of starving children.
The closest we get is the answer to these questions:
With the responses being:
The closest thing we get to what you claimed is this question:
Where 70% of Israelis on the Left side of the political spectrum say… they are absolutely troubled by it. 32% of Centre and 6% of Right are, which - while horrible - is nowhere near “aren’t bothered by a photograph of a starving child”…
Uh… do you understand the concept of conflict of interest? Citing the Israeli government (especially the IDF) or Zionist Israeli NGOs when they make a pro-Israeli point is stupid because they lie literally all the time. Citing Israeli data or research in general is not, provided it’s coming from a source that hasn’t been routinely making up shit longer than I’ve been alive.
That aside, you should’ve asked for a source and saved yourself the effort. The data is from your link, specifically this passage:
Now to be fair, I misremembered when I said “they feel nothing when shown pictures of starving Palestinians,” I’ll own that, but I believe that 79% of answers to “Personally troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza” being “no” still validates my original point.
Sure. And yet, when I was citing IDI - when they were making pro-Israeli statements (or rather: not flat out anti-Israeli statements) - people were getting up in arms because “it’s an Israeli source, of course they’re lying”.
Props to you for owning up to that (I’m 100% serious), but that’s still misrepresenting the actual data.
The first thing they taught me when I was studying Ethnology was: “don’t forget the context in which data is being presented”.
The question is: “To what extent are you personally troubled or not troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population”.
And considering 70% of the population believes the IDF’s reports regarding the situation, the number makes much more sense - they’re not troubled by the reports of famine, because they don’t believe the reports of famine.
So, from your “80% of Israelis feel nothing when shown a starving Palestinian” we end up at “70% of Israelis believe the IDF’s reports and therefore don’t believe there’s a humanitarian crisis happening in Gaza”. And then, when you add to this the fact that literally every single Israeli (other than the Orthodox) has come through the IDF as part of the mandatory training, this makes even more sense - they instinctively refuse to believe that the organisation they’ve been a part of could lie to this extent.