I am of the opinion genocide is bad. And I acknowledge In defense of you, the parent comment looks like detracting from the conversation of the evils Israel is committing.
So I agree that you should call out people trying to detract from the conversation. Although I should warn you that you should be precise in this instead of just calling people facists as: 1. You may come to realize people don’t default to introspection when you shout at them… only dig their heels deeper. 2 A lot of people are unfortunately too selfish to consider the wellbeing of others. This can come out as indifference or fascist apologia.
Actually a lot of people DO change their minds when they are yelled at. Sometimes it’s the only approach that works, because often they’ve already been gently explained to.
I don’t care about the feelings of fashies, I call them out as fascists in hopes that the admins permaban them. I don’t attempt to change their small minds, I attempt to create a safer space in this social network.
Then you’re a fool who doesn’t know what it takes to win other people over. Simply label people and move on. Then later ask “why is everywhere turning conservative/fascist?”. That’s your mode of operation.
Because you have to actually put effort into listening and discern other people’s intentions.
Your attempt to create a safer space is pointless as you seem to give up at the slightest sign of resistance. You don’t even slow down before you start accusing people of being Nazis. Easy shortcut to avoid spending mental energy. But not conducive to winning over people.
I’m sorry it’s not clear enough to you that someone advocating for mass forcible relocation of Palestinian children is a fascism apologist. I’m not here to “debate Nazis and own them epically”, I’m here to call out Nazism and mods should be here to enforce anti-nazi bans.
It’s not my fault that this person is a Nazi, it’s your fault that these people are allowed at all in the mainstream. “You made me support the genocide of Palestinians by calling me a bad word!!!”
Alright fair enough. I agree it’s not complicated and anything to suggest otherwise appears to be Nazi apologia. But hear me out: Its unfortunately not so obvious to a lot of people. My own father falls for conservative extremist propaganda because pumping someone with hate makes them forget to think critically. How easy is it to convince someone to hate a group of people whom they have had no interaction with? Apparently very easy if you are a billionaire controlling the media.
Unfortunately we can’t stop genocide without convincing people its happening. And we can’t convince people out of the mindspace they put themselves in.
I do activism in my private life to prevent genocide, such as participating in the sabotage of La Vuelta Ciclista or in the mass protest last Sunday in Madrid with my communist organization. It is not through convincing people on social networks to stop genocide, it is through organized action calling for a general strike in my country on the 15th of October to break all relations, economic and diplomatic, with the genocidal entity.
On Lemmy, I simply want people not to be exposed to sprawling fascist viewpoints as in the case of this comment section, hopefully by amplifying the pro-Palestinian voices and shutting down the pro-genocide ones, we can get this space to be a beacon of ideology.
“Fascist genocidal colonialist enthostate” you described Palestine. You probably angry rn so to little calm down you I say I am against Ben Gvir. But this will be controversial - Someone should evacuate infants and toddlers from Gaza to avoid their dies. No one will agree. Hamas want to human shields and new recruits. IDF don’t care about babies.
You don’t understand the meaning of the words “fascist”, “genocidal”, “colonial” or “ethnostate”, so you should refrain from ridiculing yourself.
Evacuating Palestinian children from their land would amount to forcible relocation, which is part of the genocidal policy “Israel” follows, again proving you have literally 0 idea what you’re talking about
Relocation would be better than starving or bombing. The problem is also where relocate. Israel and arabic states are unsafe. Even Lebanon is unsafe cause of Hesbollah. So imo the best place to relocate them is Europe.
Hamas started this war 7 October. It is more like: Criminal commited mass murder and is now hiding in your house, police want to blow up your house with you inside to kill murder, you cant decide what to do, cause you are too young.
This “War” didnt start on october 7th, and “israel” supported hamas during its rise to power against secular organizations, and the very reason a group like hamas exists is because “israel” created the material conditons that lead to a group like hamas emerging and taking power. Also october 7th was not done by the Palestinian people, was there a referandum before october 7 that i’m unaware of? Not to mention that “israel” has no right to be there, and without “israel” being there, there would be no hamas.
“Israel” started this with the Naqba back in the 1940s, when hundreds of thousands of Palestinian locals were either murdered or forcibly relocated to make place for an ethnostate in their lands.
Zionist fascist detected: opinion ignored. It is an indictment against .world that people like you aren’t instantly permabanned
Where I said I am fascist?
Where you spend your time on the internet making apologia for the fascist genocidal colonialist ethnostate.
I am of the opinion genocide is bad. And I acknowledge In defense of you, the parent comment looks like detracting from the conversation of the evils Israel is committing.
So I agree that you should call out people trying to detract from the conversation. Although I should warn you that you should be precise in this instead of just calling people facists as: 1. You may come to realize people don’t default to introspection when you shout at them… only dig their heels deeper. 2 A lot of people are unfortunately too selfish to consider the wellbeing of others. This can come out as indifference or fascist apologia.
Actually a lot of people DO change their minds when they are yelled at. Sometimes it’s the only approach that works, because often they’ve already been gently explained to.
I don’t care about the feelings of fashies, I call them out as fascists in hopes that the admins permaban them. I don’t attempt to change their small minds, I attempt to create a safer space in this social network.
Then you’re a fool who doesn’t know what it takes to win other people over. Simply label people and move on. Then later ask “why is everywhere turning conservative/fascist?”. That’s your mode of operation.
Because you have to actually put effort into listening and discern other people’s intentions.
Your attempt to create a safer space is pointless as you seem to give up at the slightest sign of resistance. You don’t even slow down before you start accusing people of being Nazis. Easy shortcut to avoid spending mental energy. But not conducive to winning over people.
I’m sorry it’s not clear enough to you that someone advocating for mass forcible relocation of Palestinian children is a fascism apologist. I’m not here to “debate Nazis and own them epically”, I’m here to call out Nazism and mods should be here to enforce anti-nazi bans.
It’s not my fault that this person is a Nazi, it’s your fault that these people are allowed at all in the mainstream. “You made me support the genocide of Palestinians by calling me a bad word!!!”
Alright fair enough. I agree it’s not complicated and anything to suggest otherwise appears to be Nazi apologia. But hear me out: Its unfortunately not so obvious to a lot of people. My own father falls for conservative extremist propaganda because pumping someone with hate makes them forget to think critically. How easy is it to convince someone to hate a group of people whom they have had no interaction with? Apparently very easy if you are a billionaire controlling the media.
Unfortunately we can’t stop genocide without convincing people its happening. And we can’t convince people out of the mindspace they put themselves in.
I do activism in my private life to prevent genocide, such as participating in the sabotage of La Vuelta Ciclista or in the mass protest last Sunday in Madrid with my communist organization. It is not through convincing people on social networks to stop genocide, it is through organized action calling for a general strike in my country on the 15th of October to break all relations, economic and diplomatic, with the genocidal entity.
On Lemmy, I simply want people not to be exposed to sprawling fascist viewpoints as in the case of this comment section, hopefully by amplifying the pro-Palestinian voices and shutting down the pro-genocide ones, we can get this space to be a beacon of ideology.
There are people who don’t deserve to be won over. You wouldn’t waste your time arguing with a pedophile about the merits of raping kids would you?
“Fascist genocidal colonialist enthostate” you described Palestine. You probably angry rn so to little calm down you I say I am against Ben Gvir. But this will be controversial - Someone should evacuate infants and toddlers from Gaza to avoid their dies. No one will agree. Hamas want to human shields and new recruits. IDF don’t care about babies.
You don’t understand the meaning of the words “fascist”, “genocidal”, “colonial” or “ethnostate”, so you should refrain from ridiculing yourself.
Evacuating Palestinian children from their land would amount to forcible relocation, which is part of the genocidal policy “Israel” follows, again proving you have literally 0 idea what you’re talking about
Relocation would be better than starving or bombing. The problem is also where relocate. Israel and arabic states are unsafe. Even Lebanon is unsafe cause of Hesbollah. So imo the best place to relocate them is Europe.
criminal comes with guns to your home, murders half your family and occupies 3/4 of it: “you should just relocate, bro, it will be much safer”
Hamas started this war 7 October. It is more like: Criminal commited mass murder and is now hiding in your house, police want to blow up your house with you inside to kill murder, you cant decide what to do, cause you are too young.
This “War” didnt start on october 7th, and “israel” supported hamas during its rise to power against secular organizations, and the very reason a group like hamas exists is because “israel” created the material conditons that lead to a group like hamas emerging and taking power. Also october 7th was not done by the Palestinian people, was there a referandum before october 7 that i’m unaware of? Not to mention that “israel” has no right to be there, and without “israel” being there, there would be no hamas.
“Israel” started this with the Naqba back in the 1940s, when hundreds of thousands of Palestinian locals were either murdered or forcibly relocated to make place for an ethnostate in their lands.
Your israelis are commiting 7ths of October for breakfast idiot
Wow are you advocating for mass kidnapping you fucking weirdo?
That’s what Russia’s doing in Ukraine
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lol, what did I just read.
The part where you justify genocide because they “use child soldiers”